Mandela Effect theory: 'The Babel Virus - SIGINT Consciousness Manipulation'

a reply to: sputniksteve

Yeah... but some of my experiences seem to stem from pure memory, rather than media ... although, the way we are set up, media is only extensions of our senses ...so ...

oh. Hmmm.

a reply to: Baddogma

I understand and concur. However if it was done in a way to only make you doubt your memory, lacking an ability to qualify it in the material world it may be sufficient for some purposes.

I can't even suggest it for my own experience, but I offer it only as a possibility. Obviously you see why I mention it, and I already know first hand what "they" are capable of. It's for more spooky than misremembering a Bears book.

To go way out into conspiracy, imagine if digital media could be manipulated to the point where one could type a message on a forum, and it looks like the message wasn't manipulated for that individual, but to anyone else they are seeing a totally different message. Imagine people thought they were having one conversation, but from the different perspectives they were having one that was completely different, unbeknownst to everyone involved.

I have no reason to suspect that is possible or happening, but what do I know, and how could it ever be verified?

a reply to: sputniksteve

That "they" (or innumerable numbers of other intelligence of various levels of "evolution") exist is likely, to me, and I think I've encountered "them"... but I hold the possibility it might all be the mysterious thing I call "me," all by it's lonesome, too...

but that we are in a sandbox while the adults add/subtract pails and shovels and assorted toys and that at some point the adults will reveal themselves to precocious kids is an old idea... and perhaps the absolute truth of the matter.

I'd prefer that to plain old human, lecherous, fantasy football wagering spooks, any day.

a reply to: Baddogma

I agree yet again. I think the possibility that "they" is "we" or "I" (in the inclusive way) is very real. I can't even begin to explain it, but in my experience I have even seen evidence of it. Seriously.

I also would prefer it to creepy dudes in black suits with nefarious intentions.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: sputniksteve

That "they" (or innumerable numbers of other intelligence of various levels of "evolution") exist is likely, to me, and I think I've encountered "them"... but I hold the possibility it might all be the mysterious thing I call "me," all by it's lonesome, too...

but that we are in a sandbox while the adults add/subtract pails and shovels and assorted toys and that at some point the adults will reveal themselves to precocious kids is an old idea... and perhaps the absolute truth of the matter.

I'd prefer that to plain old human, lecherous, fantasy football wagering spooks, any day.

OP sorry if this discussion has gone off track for your intentions. However I wanteded to point out Dog,that is precisely the conversation I want to have.

Imagine if the goal of "they" was simply to open the eyes of individuals enough for them to be curious and start asking questions. The result of those questions and the journey to answer them would be up to the individual, but "they" could claim to have given the nudge and hints sufficient to start the seeker on their path. Leading the metaphorical horse to the water, but not teaching it how to drink.

I have suspected for quite some time now that that is precisely the desired outcome. Regardless of wether that was intended, or if it was actually happening, it is the result for many people. Some are happy to sit back and just put hash marks on an ME board and never venture to guess why, but some have taken the ball and run with it.

a reply to: sputniksteve

well, that is FAR more hopeful an outlook than unknown elitists perfecting their population control tech.

Although both possibilities could exist at the same time... and some undreamt of.

I do hope some external, wise "others" are looking after us to an extent, though, and prodding us to new horizons... boy, do we need it!

a reply to: Reverbs

Ditto.


My experiences culminated in an encounter with something non human. A very angry, non human. My ex gf was witness too. Made our two cats quite literally freak out. One was even vomiting profusely.

The feeling I had was unpleasant, yet here we are.

Hard to forget that.


Your point about mind control, i believe to be accurate. I think whatever this thing was, is very adept in that field.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: sputniksteve

I do hope some external, wise "others" are looking after us to an extent, though, and prodding us to new horizons... boy, do we need it!

In that case I have great news for you. I can't be sure what they are doing or why, but I can assure you they are indeed there. I don't expect you to take my word for it, but I also don't expect you will always need to.

I know I am in a long line of people to make this claim or similar, but I hope from my other endeavors I may have a sliver of credibility. At least enough to give you hope. I know this for a plethora of reasons, all of them extremely significant.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

It really begins to have detrimental effects on your overall wellness If you get too into the ideas, concepts & dissonance which keen investigation produces, if you have experienced strong Mandela effects personally.

So right , I've been there , mandela can be quite bad for mental health.In the past years I 'examined' many many mandela effects. Eventually one starts to question reality. I'm still on that bandwagon , maybe reality as we precieved is simulated and are we connected to a higher more fundamental reality.

Which got me thinking about the differences between different languages

And for some reason many translations of books films etc have been translated as people 'remember' them. The act of translation doesn't require that much memory does it ?

, I think we're witnessing 'Babel Moment 2.0', and this is a psy-op run by the highest levels of human SIGINT operations,

Elohim-Tech and Psyops. Somehow I think that blackops science is way more advanced and that the 'simulation' is hacked. There is local (memory of the brain) and collective memory (not part of simulation). blackops science has found a way to alter collective memory...

...deliberately gaslight human beings of an Anglo-American origin

Connection inheritance or language base you mean ? It's hard not to see that connection. Many christian people are affected. For them it's like the bible is being rewritten. For them scary stuff , and it has effect on their believe no doubt about that.

My own take is some of the ME effects are indeed run by Psy-ops. The whole goal is it to discredit people that search for the truth. After realizing that it is obvious that internet is the playground for Psy-ops. Their goal is it to control and dominate the current narative.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Certainly, I would be interested in the private subreddit idea, and am intrigued by your experience of the change/no change situation, so I propose you could introoduce the subreddit with a discussion of what occurred..

If you could please send me a u2u with a link, and some instructions of navigating/ using reddit, that would be great (I've lurked on a couple of threads there before, but got confused about hw it was operated...)

Thanks!

a reply to: sputniksteve

To go way out into conspiracy, imagine if digital media could be manipulated to the point where one could type a message on a forum, and it looks like the message wasn't manipulated for that individual, but to anyone else they are seeing a totally different message. Imagine people thought they were having one conversation, but from the different perspectives they were having one that was completely different, unbeknownst to everyone involved.

I would venture that this is 100% possible, and indeed is well-known in the intelligence world as 'bamf-ing', whereby a person is 'bamf'd' by having their online activity redirected to spoof sites, or having their comments substituted in real-time, and so on. It apparently occurred for author Mike Bara when he was in the research phase prior to writing the book 'Dark Mission'. Additionally, I have seen & heard direct evidence of media content being deliberately spoofed or substituted, and I have become 100% convinced that this is done as part of deliberate 'gaslighting' of targets. It is a tactic used to help facilitate a movement towards diagnosis of schizophrenia if the person so affected tries to discuss the problem with anyone else.

Interestingly, the Russians have recently publicized claims of their electronic warfare capabilities which include the ability to target & alter/ disrupt/ substitute with absolute, 100% precision, and single aspect of any electronic system, including signals from all radar type scanning devices, they can jam individual workstations on a ship - and there's a hint of a suggestion that in real-time, they can alter the electrical signals & processes of the human mind - so, for example making a single individual on a warship suddenly fall asleep at his post. If you look at current proposals to use wifi signals as a means of obtaining visual data within a house, you will see that there is a definite potential that the smog of electrical signals around us, even on a battleship, could be used to target individual people, before subjectng them to this targeting/ interference.

So let's not bow down to those who would claim otherwise. And this is only what's in the public domain! It's interesting to note that the US cyber command is located at a place named Angel's Bluff... As though the final challenge is to successfully, seamlessly & undetected, to imitate the voices of the divine...? The ultimate in control.

a reply to: frenchfries

My own take is some of the ME effects are indeed run by Psy-ops. The whole goal is it to discredit people that search for the truth. After realizing that it is obvious that internet is the playground for Psy-ops. Their goal is it to control and dominate the current narative.

Highly plausible in terms of motive, and agreed, the internet could not be controlled, until it could. And now, they're having fun, as they ramp up to whatever climax they envision for their own vainglorious selves...

But as Reverbs said, there are definitely 'others' already present, who are taking steps, I believe, to ensure that the dark plans of those who are operating this dark tech, do not come to fruition in the way that they hope. Reason for our Hope, indeed.

A good example of faulty memory in the OP. That scene in the film - it wasn't Four Weddings and a Funeral, it was Love Actually.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

But as Reverbs said, there are definitely 'others' already present, who are taking steps, I believe, to ensure that the dark plans of those who are operating this dark tech, do not come to fruition in the way that they hope. Reason for our Hope, indeed.

hmmm I hope , I deeply hope so. Because I see things unfolding that are truly extreme sinistra. Psyop accounts dedicated to Cruor and ME. i dont know , many people are already in danger , the good guys better hurry up

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

b) Despite a bunch of attempts to streamline a definite series of effects which were common to all experiencers, there were ALWAYS inconsistencies, in that many people remembered Australia being further south, but not everyone believed that New Zealand had been to the North-East previously. Other differences, even within the context of a significant change (some aspects had 'changed', but others hadn't - for example the complex details of Mandela's life & death) were inconsistent, and thus it seemed impossible to pin down a singular theory which explained these inconsistencies.

There are inconsistencies because it's subjective. Every person has different memories.

Then you have the internet that propagates it, that is called Argumentum ad populum

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Wow man. I didn't expect such an extensive reply to my post concerning what you called "banf-ing" and its new information for me so I'll research before I comment further. Good stuff dude I am glad my comments didn't throw things off track. It's been 7 years of ME for me and this is honestly the most intelligent conversation I have had concerning it. I'm quite excited again.

As for Reddit I will absolutely get the ball rolling and send instructions.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I agree in some of what you think. But i do not think its any kind of psyop. I think time and dimension as we know it got rewritten. And those affected see how it changed because they were shifted here from another reality somehow.

Like the thought put into it, but the theory doesn't account for many of the visual references that have nothing to do with words. For example - people remembering vividly that Dolly from Moonraker had braces (which is honestly how I remember it). That is purely a visual recollection.

Here is another fun example - Caldwell Banker. It's how I recollect the name for the realtor. Apparently it is Coldwell Banker however. BUT.. if you type Caldwell into this site.. or say.. into a Google email.. both will find Caldwell to be a correct spelling, but will find Coldwell as an incorrect spelling. Why? There are ads found with both spellings in them. There is a multitude of people with LinkedIn accounts who spell their own company as Caldwell!

So imo it is beyond just wordsmithing via a nefarious pysop campaign. Too many details like the above.. or simply visual memories, that are awry.

a reply to: fleabit

Eh fleabit, I feel part of the dissonance involved with the differences in recollection is related to the practice of awareness.

Briefly, I think individuals focus varies depending on what they look at. Your mentioning of Coldwell/Caldwell bringing to mind the idea of the balance involved between looking at information internally/externally.

Is it fair to say, individuals focus on perception more introverted or extroverted depending on the weight of task at hand?

I am of the understanding that the ME is a subtle phenomena for the most part. I mean no offence to those of us who have experienced this more dramatically. I think it's important to mention though because I feel this is a sensitive topic.

Thinking about the mechanics of language, and how the mind tends to fill in the blanks brings up context.

In the case of those using Caldwell, they may be looking more at this name internally, then externally because they are more concerned with using the information in a practical sense (this is subjective) then the finer points of etymology or the exact details of what the name means to them. If others around them agree, or see the same thing they do, what difference does it make?

On the other hand Coldwell, may be of more importance to the company's legal department, or payroll knowing the name being of greater practical importance for functions like payroll, copyright, and areas of that nature. I'd imagine those with responsibilities related to the actual name, hopefully pay more attention to the details.(via the senses flowing outside in)

In speaking the discrepancy probably takes a back seat to lets say the written word.

It's like experimenting with filling in one's name in all capitals on forms and using typical capitalization when dealing with others. I doubt a computer cares, but humans sometimes make interesting comments. The context providing insights into where we come from...

a reply to: oldcarpy

Ha! I didn't even think to check that, and yes you're right, I got the film title wrong. How horribly ironic! Still, although humorous, that particular error was not a Mandela Effect, it was a simple mis-remembering (which nobody is denying actually happens - ME refers to shared faulty memory on a wide scale, not individual errors). I accept that as an example of faulty memory, but it is not evidence against the validity of the Mandela Effect..