Former Military, Special Operator's and Intelligence Personal This Question is for You

After watching this video I've drawn a few of my own conclusions about the Vegas shooting among other things.



After watching this video you will come to the clear understanding that there was more than 1 shooter, and you may have come to that conclusion already however that really isn't what this thread is about.

The point of creating this thread was to discuss the possibility (weather it relates to Vegas or not) there is an enemy of the US/ West that is sophisticated enough to pull off operations like this while being able to embed themselves deeply into society on different levels?

How likely in your experience is it that some group could come here with this elaborate plan and pull it off? Taliban, Mossad?

It just seems like there is more to some of these stories than we are willing to examine on a mainstream level. I just wanted to show you where the inception of this idea came from with this video, but watch it and see what you think, and consider the idea I am presenting here.

a reply to: toysforadults

The point of creating this thread was to discuss the possibility (weather it relates to Vegas or not) there is an enemy of the US/ West that is sophisticated enough to pull off operations like this while being able to embed themselves deeply into society on different levels?

How likely in your experience is it that some group could come here with this elaborate plan and pull it off? Taliban, Mossad?

Pfft.

Try our own FBI/CIA/NSA.

It's called the deep state for a reason.

The lights. The lights! Holy crap. They really were spotlighted, weren't they?

I guess it could be argued that whomever was running the lights just kind of panicked when it all began, and switched on those floodlights. I'd like to know how many switches, for lack or knowing the professional lingo, had to be flipped to get all those lights on. Was it one switch that turned them all on? Or were they different systems?

And they stayed on. Again, it could be argued that all hell broke loose. Whomever blasted those floodlights on, ran away leaving them on.

Are there any stage engineers out there? What had to happen for all of those lights to be turned on once that shooting started?

To the topic of your thread, I think answering that question may go a ways towards addressing your thread. If it's not a simple do to get all those lights on, then I think yes, it must be possible to get this crap embedded in our society somehow. S**t.

ETA: thanks for posting this video. I think this video ought to be put into all of the Mandalay Bay threads right now for view and discussion!

a reply to: KansasGirl

Well, the lighting personal are not trained in anti terrorism or how to handle events like this clearly. They didn't even make an announcement over the loud speaker when it first start to take cover. Everyone was panicking.

Also, 1200 yards is no joke but when you are shooting into a crowd I guess....

The best marksman I know can shoot accurately at 1200 yards but not a moving target and they have a BOATLOAD of experience, obviously he was using a chain fed weapon and CLEARLY there was a second shooter.

originally posted by: KansasGirl
The lights. The lights! Holy crap. They really were spotlighted, weren't they?

Yes, they were.

I don't buy the chain fired weapon math he is using.
He had 100 round mags didn't he?
Here have a listen

a reply to: Mandroid7

even then those are short burst

a reply to: toysforadults

How was is 1200 yards?

Please explain.

Mg

a reply to: KansasGirl


Well the lights would be off during the concert so as not to blind the audience looking at the stage, and to me it is not odd at all they turned the lights on. When an emergency situation happened they turned the lights on so people were not running around in the dark.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: KansasGirl

Well, the lighting personal are not trained in anti terrorism or how to handle events like this clearly. They didn't even make an announcement over the loud speaker when it first start to take cover. Everyone was panicking.

It was pandemonium, of course.

Still would be interesting to know what had to be done to get those lights on.

a reply to: missed_gear

oh it was 500 yards, oops, my bad

a reply to: toysforadults

idk, I am seeing 3-4 seconds per 20 rnds at 47 seconds into the video, if he is using 100 round mags, its 15-20 seconds of firing.

Any idea of the longest firing cycle that went on?

Here vid related, no wonder they want to ban them

I saw an interview on my local news that had a guy describing his friend taking 3 shots to the chest. They later showed the victim in a hospital bed. His bandaged area was approx. 6in in diameter.

That is an absurdly tight group for one to shoot from hundreds of yards away. (With a bump stock no less)

Fast forward to about 1230in the op video. I now know how that man suffered a tightly grouped 3 round injury. The sound is unmistakable. If you've ever fired, or heard fired a 3 rd burst in person....

Im starting to get legit tin foil hat worried . Something ain't right

Dubble

a reply to: seaswine

Do you have combat experience?

a reply to: Mandroid7

You are not even paying attention to the right portion of the video. See post below yours.

a reply to: KansasGirl


Or how about posting the video on facebook so it can go viral...

a reply to: toysforadults

Ok I saw it. Damn dude.

a reply to: toysforadults

No combat experience. I have however been around a family friend who owned a gun shop that had the highest class FFL. (They can sell title 2 firearms to LICENSED individuals.)

I was only about 15 at the time of this anecdote, but there are a few things i remember undoubtedly...

It was a big pig roast BBQ. Family/friends/neighbors/randoms, huge ordeal. Shooting is a pastime around these here parts, and today was no exception.

I was about 100yds away from the range, staring at the ever-growing crispness of the whole hog... As i waited for my slab of pork belly, i hear -dun-dun-tichh... dun-dun-tichh-

My teenage mind immediately switches from pork belly to... "that sounds cool, gonna check that out."

I would be lying if i claimed to remember the model/platform of the firearm. I do know that it was being fired on it's 3 round burst setting. (Guy explained so) That dun-dun-tichh is unmistakable.

So, in conclusion, what i hear in the video is identical to what i know a 3 round burst to sound like. I am not claiming i am correct, but from my personal experience, that is EXACTLY what a burst fire sounds like.

Just another dude on the internet chiming in. Sorry I'm not spec-ops

Video I have been spreading around where I can.



Dont use different recordings of guns to prove one gun sounds like another.

Also this guy doesnt understand ballistics. At +500yds he wouldnt be shooting straight at his target. He would have to hold high or properly zero the rifle. He wouldn't be shooting at a straight 10 degrees. Plus we dont know if he was prone or firing in a bench rest style if it was the latter it could be much farther back in the room then hanging the rifle out the window like this guy thinks.