Knowingly exposing others to HIV will no longer be a felony in California

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lolliek

How about herpes. No cure. Right?

Herpes won't kill you.

Nor will HIV.

It could be if the other person didn't tell you about it. You might find out when it's a bit late. And because that person didn't tell you, you will be spreading it to more people without knowing.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Metallicus

Right, and millions with other communicable diseases. Why should HIV be different?

I hope you dont go out willingly when you have any communicable disease ? Even a cold ?
Do you support that ?
I stay and home and get plenty of rest.
Why would I want to take a chance on willingly exposing anyone ?
Rethink

There's a reason he was nicknamed Gov Moonbeam in the 70s

I can't wait to get out of this cesspit...sigh

a reply to: Abysha

Dang, didn't that kill the "mood" a bit?
JK, probably being smart and cautious.

Other than the obvious sex thing, imagine someone infecting the blood supplies, or walking through a crowd sticking random people with an HIV infected blood source.

I can't believe this legislation. Felony for a plant, or any drug and a misdemeanor for sticking someone with an aids needle.

The average cost to treat HIV in 2010 was almost $400,000.
Now, I don't know the cost, but without insurance you die slowly of other secondary infections etc...

Pretty scary really, sounds like a good old pharmaceuticals legislation conspiracy.

Next they'll be encouraged to get high on retrovirals and do blood transfusions to share the dope.

Whoonga
Whoonga (also known as nyaope or wunga)[1] is a street drug that has allegedly come into widespread use in South Africa since 2010, mostly in the impoverished townships of Durban, although it is claimed to be appearing in other places in South Africa as well[2]. The substance is often described as a cocktail of various ingredients, and these may vary, but the principal active ingredient of the drug is heroin, often smoked with cannabis. The drug is sometimes said to contain antiretroviral drugs particularly efavirenz of the type prescribed to treat HIV, but analysis of samples shows no such content, and police have remarked that dealers are known to add "all sorts of stuff" to a drug to bulk it out. In 2014, Vice magazine correspondent Hamilton Morris did a piece on this, titled Getting High on HIV Medication.[3]

In early 2017 a growing trend of sharing the drug induced high through minor blood transfusions was identified by local media in a practice known as 'bluetoothing' (named after the Bluetooth wireless technology). This is done so as to more economically share the high amongst users.[19] The blood can also be purchased from a first user for R10 for about 10 millilitres of blood.[6]

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lolliek

How about herpes. No cure. Right?

Herpes won't kill you.

Nor will HIV.

It could be if the other person didn't tell you about it. You might find out when it's a bit late. And because that person didn't tell you, you will be spreading it to more people without knowing.

In that case it technically becomes a weapon of mass destruction, with only a misdemeanor penalty for the original perpetrators. No?

I'm sure someone will find another reason to ban guns in there if so...

a reply to: Phage

Strange. You need to let medical sites know this.

Facts About HIV: Life Expectancy and Long-Term Outlook by HealthLine.com

A person living with HIV who isn’t on treatment is still more likely to develop AIDS and experience an early death.

What is HIV/AIDS? by News Medical Life Sciences

AIDS stands for acquired immune deficiency syndrome and is the final stage of the infection caused by the virus called HIV or Human Immunodeficiency Virus. The virus causes severe damage to the immune system.

AIDS is the sixth leading cause of death among people aged 25 - 44 in the United States. This is an improvement since it was the number one killer in 1995.

Sounds to me like HIV will eventually lead to AIDS, although this can be slowed by regular treatment, and AIDS is indeed fatal.

Are these websites wrong?

TheRedneck

a reply to: queenofswords

Not disclosing one's HIV infection should be a felony, but...hey!...California, the Land of fruits and nuts.

Is it so in your state?

Penalties.
Under the existing California law, one could receive up to 8 years in prison for a conviction. Under the new law, one could receive up to 1 year.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"Dude, I'm wasted, try my blood"

Unreal

a reply to: Phage

8 years isn't near enough for someone knowing they are HIV positive and not disclosing it to a potential sexual partner.

Yeah, you can live with the HIV virus as you so flippantly pointed out, but it takes lots of money and lots of pharmaceuticals to keep it from turning into full blown AIDS which DOES kill.

Your flippant attitude about this is unfathomable to a rational person.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Large doses of concentrated cash. About $180,000 shot directly into the bloodstream.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Are these websites wrong?

Is this one?
www.un.org...

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"Dude, I'm wasted, try my blood"

Unreal

Stop bogarting the bloodbag dude.

lol

a reply to: queenofswords

8 years isn't near enough for someone knowing they are HIV positive and not disclosing it to a potential sexual partner.

Well, that's what the old law provided for.

Your flippant attitude about this is unfathomable to a rational person.

Flippant? No. Do you think not telling a partner you have syphilis is ok to be a misdemeanor?

originally posted by: Mandroid7
Just found this article. Hoped it was BS. Not really much to add other than WTF.
Read it yourself and see. Link LA Tiimes
Here's a quote from the article...

Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill Friday that lowers from a felony to a misdemeanor the crime of knowingly exposing a sexual partner to HIV without disclosing the infection. The measure also applies to those who give blood without telling the blood bank that they are HIV-positive.

His argument is that medicine is available, so it's not that serious.

CAUTION don't have sex or get a blood transfusion in Cali.

Nice population control policy.

Please someone debunk this.

Well, regardless of whether people disclose that info to the blood centers or not, all whole blood and plasma is tested before it ever makes it to a blood bank. And if it is positive for bloodborne pathogens like HIV, that person will be entered into a national database and prohibited from ever donating again. California doesn't get a say in that because blood products are regulated at the federal level. So that part of your post, at least, is pure hyperbole. Consider it debunked.

As for the other part, all I have is my personal opinion. You won't like it, so I'll just keep it to myself. But as far as I can tell, they actually are dropping the penalty down. HIV is not an automatic death sentence, and hasn't been for a good long while now.

a reply to: Phage

Are you being intentionally obtuse? HIV isn't special because it's "gay", it's special because you can easily avoid getting it by using protection! And unlike other, non-lethal STD's, HIV can potentially kill you medication or not.

Honestly dude

a reply to: Aegeus

HIV isn't special because it's "gay", it's special because you can easily avoid getting it by using protection!

That's a good point, actually, about using protection.

a reply to: Phage

Where on that site does it state that HIV does not lead to AIDS, or that AIDS is not fatal? All I saw was that progress had been made reducing the number of deaths (I would assume by lowering the spread of the disease or by regular treatment to slow progression, both mentioned in my links).

Therefore HIV still leads to AIDS, and AIDS is still fatal.

TheRedneck

So...

Math is sexist
Science is racist

...whats next, medicine is a homophobe???

HIV aside...if I had small pox...I could just start rubbing my infectious skin on any and everyone only get a slap on the wrist in Cal...

Yeah that makes sense.

That's just a thought and I would never.