Body cam released in fatal shooting of Patrick Harmon by Salt Lake City Police Department

“Fox said that in ten years of law enforcement and two military deployments, it was the scariest situation he had ever been in,” according to the report.

Looks as though that seals the deal.

Cops should be able to shoot anyone, any time. It's sorta what they do now.

a reply to: notsure1

Knives can be thrown in the blink of an eye, and some people have laser precision.

These situaions are always tough, but the officers want and deserve to do their jobs in the safest manner possible.

I've always thought police body armor should be improved and used more often. And why aren't non lethal bullets standard by now, in a 2nd backup firearm? Shouldn't be too hard to implement. The standard backup on 1 side of body, non lethal on the other.

Decisions have to be made quickly and often under intense stress/pressure. I usually give police the benefit of any doubt. Obviously cops can be shady at times and some just make mistakes. They are human and have flaws like the rest of us.

a reply to: penroc3

i have had my share of police interactions and never thought i was going to get hurt much less get shot. Just do what they say and don't argue and they have no reason to get upset or whatever.

What are your thoughts concerning 12 year Tamir Rice being executed by having a whole placed in his chest by a bullet for playing alone in a park?

What are your thoughts concerning 15 year Jordan Edwards who was leaving a house party in a car and had the whole side of his face blow out and huge whole on the back of his head with his brain matter hanging out?

Both were innocent and were not committing any crime. Neither were even given a chance to comply or argue back since no commands were issued.

If cops in the States are not being convicted for clear cut murder, I'm not surprised they get off scot-free in cases like this.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: intrptr

lol typical liberal

Lol, typical law and order response.

'Murica, if you flee its a felony.

rata-tat-tat

He didn't get shot for fleeing.

The hell. He didn't get shot in the back either... lulz

LOl it was his side...

Running away, not coming back. You excuse is that it was justified because he intended to harm the officers, he intends to run away.

Double LOL

uhm no.. I think it is murder.

a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

No they don't. For one, this is exceptionally rare.

Rare?! Maybe in other developed nations it's rare, but not in America.

For another, they do it to white people far more without any of the fan fare.

Yet, you still had the audacity to hypocritically state: it is exceptionally rare. Btw, I agree they do it to white people more since whites make up:

65% of the country

Also:

Lastly, black men kill other black men at rates no other groups comes close to...

In the States: white men kill white men at rates no other demographic comes close to. WTF is your point...?!

In fact we ONLY hear about it when it's a black dude.

Cool. Have you heard about Tamir Rice and Jordan Edwards...? If not, how come...? If so, what are your thoughts and how does it play into that stupid argument put forth: blacks kill blacks?

If Black lives matter, why are we being lectured on it by people who apparently have very little value in their own people's lives?

You do realize it is bigoted to paint a whole demographic with same brush, right? How the F# do you have the audacity to assume all black people possess the same mind-set, attitude and psychological make-up?

You are one of the people (and those who starred you) who give America it's unfair f#d up reputation. In fact. it's people like you that make me not feel bad for exploiting your population for my own personal gain. Don't worry tho, I pay my taxes down there as well...

Jesus Christ, what an ignorant thought process you demonstrated in your entire comment. FFS.

a reply to: notsure1

really ? guess I saw a different video . If its me and I know other cops have been ambushed and gunned down , I take the shot . They know his past . You don't

a reply to: majesticgent

Even if the guy pulled a knife, the distance between him and the cop didn't make him an immediate threat. Since when is a knife more lethal than a gun? What ever happened to yelling "drop the knife?" I can't see how anyone can justify shooting this guy in the back. As if that wasn't bad enough, why 3 shots! If he lunged for the police officer or turned around and started to run toward the officer with a knife, then the officer's life is in immediate danger and lethal force is justified.

Just my opinion.

a reply to: WeRpeons

Cause everyone is super cop until its them in the situation...then they either react fast or end up dead. I would dredge up the video of the activist who used to speak against these type of shootings, until he was invited and went to participate in some use of force training. He found out first hand it was nothing like he thought and has since changed his tune about these things. His message now is follow their instructions even if you didnt do anything wrong...on the spot isnt the,time to sort it out...that's what court is for.

Here I went and found it...

a reply to: slider1982

I don't think anyone is arguing that the LEO set out to kill the guy or that the LEO is evil. But the fact that you agree that mistakes will be made shows that this should not be justified. When you make a mistake and someone ends up dead, you need to face the repercussions. The guy who ran made a mistake, he's dead. The cop made a mistake, and he won't even be suspended never mind fired and prosecuted.

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
Funny I've never ran from multiple stops by police and I'm still living.

Really makes you think.

So if someone runs they should die?

I never said such a thing.

But one sure fire way of making sure something doesn't happen is to follow instructions.

Man on a a bicycle, with a warrant, known to police. How far you think he was going to get?

They could have gone after him on foot, or let him go. "Sure fire", they will see him again.

Oh, never mind.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: slider1982

I don't think anyone is arguing that the LEO set out to kill the guy or that the LEO is evil. But the fact that you agree that mistakes will be made shows that this should not be justified. When you make a mistake and someone ends up dead, you need to face the repercussions. The guy who ran made a mistake, he's dead. The cop made a mistake, and he won't even be suspended never mind fired and prosecuted.

They're the Impunity Police.

originally posted by: notsure1
Cops shoot 1st way to often.

Opinion based on bias and ignorance about how an officer is trained to determine when deadly force is justified. Yes, sometimes they get it wrong, but not "way too often."

Even if he had a knife he was in no position to stab anyone he was 8 feet away.

Thank you for admitting to your lack of knife training. Give me a knife and put me 8 feet away from you and I will have stabbed and sliced and diced you before you even were able to progress past a twitch in response. Eight feet might as well be knee or elbow distance when you have a blade, especially when your opponent (the officer, in this case) is already moving toward you and not expecting you to stop and turn toward them.

Cops need to be held accountable for this shi or it will never stop.

Your opinion on the justification of this shooting has no authority whatsoever. The court of public opinion, knee-jerk emotional reactions, and conclusions based on ignorance and lack of facts needs to stop.

originally posted by: notsure1
obviously the guns wins as proof in the op video. They even have that saying dont bring a knife to a gun fight for a reason.

You're assuming that he had the knife. I see no proof of that as of yet.

You're also assuming that long-held clichés are valid just because they exist. If the victim would have actually immediately turn and attacked the officer with a knife, the ending most likely would have been extremely different. It was the victim's hesitation that both made him lose his life and protected the officer from injury or death himself.

Again, that assumes that knife was even present--I haven't read any further to see if this has been proven.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: SlapMonkey

Yeah, I'm sure the raw body cam footage is much better than the compressed uploaded video but based on the posture and what appear to be glints, tentatively I'm going to lean toward it being a knife which would make the shooting justified.

Well, even if there wasn't a knife, the sudden stop and posturing would tell anyone trained to understand aggressive body language that it was probable that the victim was going to attack--that will be harder to justify, though, but I think that it will still fall in line with a justified shooting because of that.

No matter whose fault for the shooting, it still sucks that it had to end this way.

originally posted by: intrptr
Got away with it too. After all he was unarmed and fleeing , while black.

And this comment proves that you are armed...with a keyboard...and typing...while blinded by ideological biases.

The difference is that one of us is correct.

The report says that he had a knife--that makes him armed (although I would like an image of the knife for proof).

He fled, but then stopped and postured up for an apparent attack on the police officer. At that point, he was not fleeing.

His race is not an issue, unless you are blinded by ideological biases. If you notice at the start of the video, the officers are being absolutely respectful and polite to him.

Grow up.

a reply to: majesticgent

Yeah, but I like to look at the evidence on my own and see how/why they came to that conclusion. I ran out of time yesterday to research much of it, so I'll look into it today to get a better idea of all of the evidence.

But as far as an officer being cleared--sadly, that's not always enough to prove to me that there was no wrongdoing. It doesn't happen all of the time, but sometimes they get it wrong.

Thanks for the reminder, though.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

The report says that he had a knife--that makes him armed (although I would like an image of the knife for proof).

The video shows him trying to run away. The act of deciding, then drawing and discharging his service sidearm because the 'subject' was fleeing is all to clear.

What knife, is right.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

One of the articles I saw (I think Ante may have posted it) showed a picture of a knife in the grass. But if you're looking for a clear cut, definitive image of a knife in hand as he turned, I don't think that's gonna happen. Even if he had it in hand, there's too much movement from both he and the officer in too short a space of time to get much more than a blurry mess of pixels.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I'm more looking for a photo from evidence that shows the weapon more than anything. Of course, since there's no trial, I suppose that the knife is not obligated to become public knowledge? I'm not super well-versed on that side of things.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

This article has a picture in it, says the picture was released by the DA. Looks like what may be an evidence marker next to a knife.

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