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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Wayfarer
So you have faith in the Fed to remove a constitutional right, and not over reach with maybe the first, or finish the death of the 4th?
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
I'd also add that not every problem needs a solution.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Gryphon66
No doubt, no doubt and by the way I agree with you 100% we have to take a step back and talk to each other and find a common path forward.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Wayfarer
So you have faith in the Fed to remove a constitutional right, and not over reach with maybe the first, or finish the death of the 4th?
Yes. Neither of what you referenced are killing people wholesale. Are you ok with innocent people dying so that you may own a gun? How many is too many then?
I'd like to highlight this if I may. We are being conditioned, as a nation, into absolutism. We are going to have to turn this trend around, as a People, and start compromising to find actual solutions to actual problems ... or we are lost.
IMO
originally posted by: Gaspode
But isn't there middle-ground on the issue? If we take gun control off the table for the sake of the second amendment and gun owners, what alternatives are there? Or is mass shootings (and gun violence) now just part of our daily lives? Just another daily occurrence we have to live with?
People die in cars - car manufacturers make cars safer, speed limits and other road laws are applied by the government and so on.
People die at the work place - better health and safety measures are put in place to protect workers.
Safety measures are put in place wherever human lives are lost.
Except when it comes to guns. Because you know, second amendment.
So leaving the gun control discussions up to the multitude of other threads, what is left? When will this be the last one?
Or are we praying this will finally be the time this issue just disappears forever entirely by itself without anyone doing anything - as The Onion suggests?
originally posted by: Gaspode
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
I'd also add that not every problem needs a solution.
Are you saying that this problem doesn't need a solution? Or has a solution (which is clearly not working)?
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Gryphon66
I'd also add that not every problem needs a solution. Sometimes problems already have solutions. In this case, it could be that the weapons used are illegal entirely. The solution is in place, but didn't work.
Maybe the solution should be to not push an agenda and earn the trust of people that are being argued against. Because lord knows the usual cast has been making increased calls for gun control. It defies logic.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
My current thinking has returned to what I believed as a teenager. We all need to carry. Every citizen. We need to be trained in personal defense (and offense) just as surely as we are trained to read and write. We need to understand that death can be present for us at any moment. We're sold an illusion that if we do A, B or C that we're somehow protected or made immune from the immediacy of life and death.
Every adult carries a sidearm, minimum. I can guarantee that the levels of good manners and decorum would skyrocket ... after we cleaned up the initial mess.