Vegas, sound of the gunfire seems off

a reply to: TexasTruth

That does not sound like a typical full auto to me.

Because the cell phones recording the sounds were in the line of fire, they caught the sound of bullet impacts and shots, a doubling effect to the uninitiated.

Its called 'crack-thump', used in military training to determine the range shots are fired from. I heard inconsistencies in the firing too that led me to believe the arm wasn't fully automatic, but rather a semi auto with a crank device attached. Turning the crank is awkward, giving the effect of speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down with every turn.

But Im old school from the 80s when that technology was legal to own.

I also want to add with vegas being so built up with all sorts of buildings in the area the sound might echo, sound waves bouncing of different buildings and surfaces. Also as Joshua said in his reply the mics being used on the recording devices, we don't know how well they work

a reply to: TexasTruth

I thought that there was something off on it, too...seemed like the tempo of the firing was a little slow, and it did sound odd. I just chock it up the fact that it was a long ways away with probable echoing and recorded on a bad microphone.

Interesting thought, though, and my conspiracy mind sees where you may be going with this.

ETA: After listening to the video embedded in this thread, the rate of fire seems correct, and it sounds like at least one AK in there, but possibly two different weapons at the same time? It didn't quite seem like an echo to me.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Are those two weapons being fired at once, or are we hearing an echo? It didn't seem to be echoing every shot and every series of firing of rounds....

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Exactly.

a reply to: SlapMonkey
No I don't believe we are hearing two weapons at once. The Buildings are setup high and close proximity, I think we are getting echos and impact sounds with. I certainly here impact sounds because the cycling or rapport does not generate that ricochet sound.


They could have a well designed muzzle brake to conceal the flash better as well. Considering there were allegedly ten firearms found, and they were mostly rifles I could see that this collector may have had a clever brake at the end.

Depending on wind conditions you may or may not see a muzzle flash after the first few sets of rounds....So much smoke could be in front of the rifle it could obscure the muzzle flash after the first few dozen rounds..


As for the fire rate I would say it is most likely a mod trigger or bump stock like I said early on into this shooting...I have even linked a few videos in other threads to show the distant fire rate tempo changes often heard when using these mods...

A real full auto would not change rate of fire tempo like this does....

From the Uk I offer my profound sympathy for all involved and my prayers for all the families that will shortly hear terrible news.
As for the talk of using this to ban all guns, just remember you can make all guns illegal but there will always be some nutjobs who will get what they want and do what they want with them.

MY vote are SSRI ,psychotropic, medications.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: TexasTruth

That does not sound like a typical full auto to me.

Because the cell phones recording the sounds were in the line of fire, they caught the sound of bullet impacts and shots, a doubling effect to the uninitiated.

Its called 'crack-thump', used in military training to determine the range shots are fired from. I heard inconsistencies in the firing too that led me to believe the arm wasn't fully automatic, but rather a semi auto with a crank device attached. Turning the crank is awkward, giving the effect of speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down with every turn.

But Im old school from the 80s when that technology was legal to own.

That's EXACTLY what I thought...

Honest opinion, completely outside the box... could be a belt fed gun? The crackling and inconsistent feed sure sounds like an old belt fed machine gun. Could explain the large gaps in firing also. We'll never know the true story, I know listening minutes after the first shots were fired to the police scanner it was mayhem and chaos. I'm just wondering how the police so quickly found his room, I listened to the cop who was in deep panic as he made his way to the 32nd floor and heard the detonation of what seems to be a flash bag device when they entered. I swore though shots were still being fired after they gained entry to his room. My thoughts and prayers are with all those who endured such a tragic event, and to the brave citizens and all police, fire and first responders who put their lives on the line to end this horrific attack.

a reply to: EternalSolace

Sounded like an AK to me too. 30 round clips, one after the other. What I find strange is the spraying? If you genuinely want to kill people then it's single shot or short burst.

It doesn't make sense.

a reply to: gladtobehere

The BBC are...

I have fired both a full auto AK and a bump stock one. In full auto mode, it's damned tough to keep the weapon centered on any target unless the person has arms like a body builder. I can say that I personally could only hold the trigger for less than 3 seconds per burst. Other than that I'd be shooting the sky.

It's also far faster between rounds than what I have heard on the recordings that have been available so far.

Sounds exactly like an AK with a bump stock. Easily available. Easy to target and continuously fire round after round. The time in between "the bump" gives you enough of a break in between rounds to keep the weapon pointed in the right direction.

My 2 cents..

Fred..

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Unless you're an emotional wreck when you fire.

originally posted by: TexasTruth
No, this is not a false flag. It is a question of what the antigunners are going to blame. Full auto, bump stocks, suppressors, AR based platforms.
It was a dick on a murder mission. a reply to: UnBreakable

unlikely any firearm restrictions will happen, because we have a republican president and a republican controlled congress.

the real danger to firearm ownership is the gun owner themselves. there will be a mad rush to buy up all the ammo, magazines and firearm modification attachments. this action would empty store shelves and jack up the price of commonly used ammo.

originally posted by: twogunrenegade
Honest opinion, completely outside the box... could be a belt fed gun? The crackling and inconsistent feed sure sounds like an old belt fed machine gun. Could explain the large gaps in firing also. We'll never know the true story, I know listening minutes after the first shots were fired to the police scanner it was mayhem and chaos. I'm just wondering how the police so quickly found his room, I listened to the cop who was in deep panic as he made his way to the 32nd floor and heard the detonation of what seems to be a flash bag device when they entered. I swore though shots were still being fired after they gained entry to his room. My thoughts and prayers are with all those who endured such a tragic event, and to the brave citizens and all police, fire and first responders who put their lives on the line to end this horrific attack.

smoke detectors would have been going crazy with all the gun smoke...I'm sure that lead them straight to the shooter. Damn lucky this crazy guy was untrained and didn't change shooting vantage points....

Anyone experienced in combat shooting or tactics would have laid down fire and then went mobile or at least to a different vantage point...This guy had a suicide wish and took as many with him as he could, that on top of his lack of tactical firing training prevented a tragic situation from being much much worse..

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Unless you're an emotional wreck when you fire.

Fair point.

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originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: twogunrenegade
Honest opinion, completely outside the box... could be a belt fed gun? The crackling and inconsistent feed sure sounds like an old belt fed machine gun. Could explain the large gaps in firing also. We'll never know the true story, I know listening minutes after the first shots were fired to the police scanner it was mayhem and chaos. I'm just wondering how the police so quickly found his room, I listened to the cop who was in deep panic as he made his way to the 32nd floor and heard the detonation of what seems to be a flash bag device when they entered. I swore though shots were still being fired after they gained entry to his room. My thoughts and prayers are with all those who endured such a tragic event, and to the brave citizens and all police, fire and first responders who put their lives on the line to end this horrific attack.

smoke detectors would have been going crazy with all the gun smoke...I'm sure that lead them straight to the shooter. Damn lucky this crazy guy was untrained and didn't change shooting vantage points....

Anyone experienced in combat shooting or tactics would have laid down fire and then went mobile or at least to a different vantage point...This guy had a suicide wish and took as many with him as he could, that on top of his lack of tactical firing training prevented a tragic situation from being much much worse..

Excellent point. A decently trained person would have broken the locks on the door/access to the roof. Much better cover, and he could have made it almost impossible to easily locate him and take him down. There are usually only 1 or 2 roof access doors, he could have easily held them off for a while.