Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: spy66
I understand. Everything came from the hotell. that is what these recordings prove....

No, you don't understand. In the first video every sound comes from the left, shots, people talking, everything, because the person that made that synchronised video used the left channel for the first (and for the fourth) video, in the same way he/she used the right channel only for the second and third (the taxi) videos, so on those every sound comes from the right.

If you want to base your theory on the apparent source of the sounds you cannot use a video that has half the sound data erased, like the synchronised video.

Happy?

No, as it looks like I only wasted my time, you haven't understood a thing of what I said.

a reply to: ArMaP
Yeah I agree, but, IF it was wiped your statement makes it make sense why they would do it. I'm a forever "what if" girl. I never believe anything on face value, however, I am ALWAYS going to ask Why and What If when stuff doesn't add up or make sense.

a reply to: ArMaP

do you know if cell phone mics record in stereo or mono, and if in mono when converted over to yourtube format if it goes to both channels?

originally posted by: Lilroanie
a reply to: ArMaP
Yeah I agree, but, IF it was wiped your statement makes it make sense why they would do it.

That's probably the reason that information (real or not) was posted, to give the idea that the police/FBI are hiding something.

I'm a forever "what if" girl. I never believe anything on face value, however, I am ALWAYS going to ask Why and What If when stuff doesn't add up or make sense.

Well, what if the person that started that "wiped" rumour wants people to doubt the official story because they are part of it, and that way the send people in the wrong direction?

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

From what I have seen, cell phone microphones are all mono, as we can find many external stereo microphones to connect to cell phones on the Internet.

I don't know if YouTube converts all videos to stereo, but what I know is that all the cell phone videos I have looked into are double mono (meaning that they have two channels that are the same), not real stereo.

a reply to: ArMaP


Figure this out on Your own time and come back and tell me i am right. I have no issue With that.


You can do this all you want...i know i am right.

Looking at the time this OP was put up and taking the time zones into account, all of the shooting that had taken place in the Mandalay had finished.

Another poster found this excellent timeline and I've been looking it over comparing it with the early parts of this thread as posters were quoting from the broadcastify feed.

Since this thread got posted after the events had already transpired, all of what went out over the scanner was never included in this thread, so here are a few interesting excerpts from before this thread was posted:

10:05 pm

Officer reports a 415A (Assualt/Battery with a Gun). “We got shots fired at Route 91 […] sounded like an automatic firearm.“
Officer reports that he sees the shots coming from ‘Mandalay Bay halfway up.’

10:07 pm

CP reports: ‘[…] many people down, stage left. Just be advised’

10:08 pm

Officer reports that the gunfire ‘sounds like its coming from an elevated position.’
Officer reports ‘multiple casualties.’
“Control be advised: shots are coming from Gate 7” (This report verifies that a second active shooter may be firing from Gate 7)

I've been looking for a venue map with the gates numbered, but I can't find one anywhere that shows a gate 7.

The OS venue map:



Back to the timeline:

10:10 pm
Officer “159” reports that gunfire is coming from a window on the north side of the Mandalay, ’50 or 60th floor.’
...
10:11 pm

Officer reports that he is in the 31st-floor of Mandalay Bay and that he hears automatic gunfire one floor above him.’

That last shows that police were on site during part of the actual attack and were able to identify that it was directly one floor above them.

10:14 pm

Officer reports that the shooter is ‘on about the 15th-floor of the Mandalay Bay facing the lot.’
Report that an officer has been shot.
“067SE” reports ‘multiple victims, shots fired right outside the medical tent.’
10:15 pm

Control 224: ‘New CP location will be South Central Area Command.’
Officer “169” reports his team has reached the 32nd-floor.

It would be about this time that responding officers would be encountering Campos and (presumably) Schuck.

It's also at this point that the last shots have been fired. Here is a timeline that some anon put together from several first hand videos:



It's also at this point we are told that Paddo...the suspect shot himself.

Back to the Intellihub timeline:

10:17 pm

Gunshot wound reported on officer “15820.”
Officer “751” reports ‘it’s been a while since he heard any shots.’

10:18 pm

Officer “769” reports that he’s ‘taking fire from a very high floor and we think that it is possibly coming from the Mandalay Bay on the boulevard side.’

10:20 pm

Officer 235: “Control? We are getting from civilians that there are three shooters.”
Officer reports that multiple eyewitnesses saw multiple people being shot and multiple shooters inside the concert venue.’
Police start to set up a perimeter at Tropicana and Russell and lockdown the outer perimeter.
656 sets up a CP at ‘Tropicana and the boulevard.’

10:22 pm

Officer confirms active shooter in room ’32-135 in the Mandalay Bay.’ (Paddock’s Room)
“644D” reports multiple victims with gunshot wounds on the east side of the building at Reno just east of the boulevard on the east side of the church.’ Says that he has a “5-man team” with him to ‘provide cover for medical.’

10:23 pm

Control reports that Mandalay Bay security confirms shots fired on floors 29 and 32.
Officer reports his team is emerging on the 32nd floor by the “dead officer.”
Officer reports that a security guard on the 32nd-floor has also been shot by the suspect.

This is the first and only mention of a dead officer at the scene, and this is not the security officer because he is mentioned separately; I also note that there is no mention of a maintenance man.

10:24 pm

An officer on the 32nd-floor: “We will need the 29th-floor [cleared as well]. It sounds like it’s confirmed there are at least two shooters.”
“715Z” requests that someone go to the “camera room to keep an eye on that 32nd-floor.”

A second mention of of two shooters, one of which being on the 29th floor.

10:29 pm

A report that an officer just north of “the event” suffered a “gunshot wound to the head.”
Reports of “multiple people running across runways” at McCarran International Airport.

This is the only mention I've seen of people running across the runways at the airport. This may or may not be related, but it is certainly not a common vent. Or at least I would think it not.

10:31 pm

Officer reports a ‘black Chevy dually pickup truck headed the wrong way on the boulevard. “Ripped out of the parking lot,” as witnessed by another officer.

10:33 pm

A “4-man element” works to clear the 29th-floor of the Mandalay Bay.

10:35 pm

An “8-man element” clears the casino floor of Mandalay Bay.

10:40 pm

Pedestrian reports ‘older white male with black fatigues and a black bag went into a white motorhome by the Motel 6 (Corner of Cobalt and Tropicana on the south side.) Witnesses say he came from the area of the shooting.
East side of the lower roof cleared. Employees still on the upper roof.

10:42 pm

A civilian stole a patrol car.
Officer reports that he’s being ‘overtaken by citizens who are trying to take patrol cars.’

10:43 pm

Multiple casualties reported at Giles and Alibaba.

10:45 pm

Around 20 dead bodies reported in the venue.
Casualties reported inside the Mandalay Bay.

It's never specified if these people came from the concert. I find it odd that people would be running in the direct from with the gunfire had taken place. This is about 30 minutes after the last volley of shots were said to have come from the MB, so I suppose people certainly could have made it there in the time since the shooting took place, it just seems odd to me that they would go where the most recent gunfire had come from.

It's just after this that the OP was posted and many of the events listed in the timeline can be found in the early pages of this thread. I know this was something of a long post and I do apologize for that, but I think all of the information here may help shed some light on the event because the stories we are being told aren't fitting a lot of what we know occurred.

I will probably do a follow up post in a little while delving back into the intellihub timeline and matching that up with posts in this thread showing verification both ways as independently as possible. We know in looking back that the events that happened after the last shot is said to have been fired were as chaotic as were those minutes in which it was happening.

It's these follow up events, I think that raise as many questions that are as much in need of answering as to why this happened. Which, we still have no clue whatsoever as to what the suspect's motive is supposed to have been, and all of the people who knew him seem utterly flummoxed that he could have done what is being reported.

a reply to: spy66

It's not a question of being right or wrong, it's physically impossible to know if a sound comes from the left or the right with a mono recording, as there's no spatial information in it, just that.

a reply to: ArMaP
Well if they were part of it and want us to doubt the official story... we kind of already are so unless it is someone in the know dropping hints to keep us at it...

The cops/FBI wouldn't want that rumor spread, they have "The Shooter".

If there are others involved then they would also want us pointed to the official story because yeah they already have "The Shooter" so anyone else involved would get off scott free with no one looking for them.

So I'm not really seeing a point of saying the FBI wiped videos unless it was a LEO pissed at a coverup to keep us away from the official story.

I'm kinda exhausted cause I slept bad last night (like not at all) so please tell me if I'm being loopy

a reply to: Lilroanie

Sorry, I wasn't clear.

What I meant is that if there is someone that was on the attacker's side and thinks that the official story is going to find out about it, then it would be in that person's interest to make people doubt the official story, so when the official story tries to connect him/her to it people will not believe it.

PS: I wasn't sleepy, just bad at explaining my thoughts.

a reply to: ArMaP
Ok thanks, I get what you were saying now.

My poor brain is like glue at the moment heh. Probably the reason I'm posting. I usually don't so that's my story and I'm sticking to it lol.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
I've been looking for a venue map with the gates numbered, but I can't find one anywhere that shows a gate 7.

That's right, I can only find maps with 6 gates.

here is a audio from broadcastify when the cops started calling it in. 39 secs into the audio you here one cop call in shots coming from up stairs from Mandalay Bay half way up. then one saying on the fairgrounds, then other all saying Mandalay bay. then at 5:22 you hear one cop say coming from like the 50th north something mandalay bay coming out a window.

at 6:24 one cop says he in mandalay bay 34th floor can hear automatic fire coming from one floor above.

i stop listening after 21 mins because if i recall correctly the shooting only lasted 14 mins, and the whole thing is a hour and half long.

i have to say this, there are several times that calls of multiple shooters, different spots in the building, fair grounds and such. but if you pay attention, from the very get go the focus was on the Bay. as i said many officers were reporting different floors, areas all over the building. only three calls that i counted from the fair grounds.

considering the large amount of people, and the relative few saying they saw multiple shooters. i defiantly have to go with single shooter.

one one thing and it might sound weird, ____ed up or what ever. but there are two calls that i had to chuckle at. it reminded me of my younger days, when i was ten foot tall and bullet proof. they are at the 11: 10 mark, and 20:41 mark.
if you listen you will probably know what i mean. i thank God that i grew up and think now before i act.



i think it safe to say listening to the cops, there was a lot of adrenaline pumping and people going all over and mass confusion. if you listen there a few cops who are very focused and concentrating on finding the shooters you can tell which ones by thier voice.

from listening to the calls, and the videos i've watched and reports read. just one shooter.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

This is an EXCELLENT post. I did want to add that I have kind of figured out from other posts that Gate 7 is the VIP gate - stage left, behind the stage. I am not sure about anything regarding the official story BUT that would seem to make sense with the elevated shooting position from Mandalay Bay.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

i saw a video yesterday where a guy was trying to figure gate 7 out himself. he did a google street view walk around type video and what he found was gates numbered one thru six and two more numbered gates i know he said gate 2b and i think he said 1b be might be wrong on that one. going thru browser history and search history to see if i can find it. lot of junk in there that i haven't deleted yet so it might take a while. will post it when i do.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

If it helps I think it was the guy who went around with "Jake" from End Times Report? I can't remember his name though? Or was it this one with Jake? May have been what made me decide I thought that's where Gate 7 was...

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: dragonridr


Was that done in this case. Did anyone use their mobiles to determine where the sound came from?

The gun was behind the stage on top of one of the two pillars. How hard is it for you People to Catch on?

What exactly is your reason for thinking that this supposed remote controlled weapon was behind the stage on two pillars? Is it the direction from which you think the fire is coming, as heard on these cell phone videos?

I'm pretty sure that it's not a case of people in this thread "not catching on," but that what you're using as evidence for your theory isn't reliable- at all. At all.

ETA: nevermind, Spy. Just nevermind.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

As far as the reports of multiple shooters inside the concert venue goes, I found what I think may be video evidence of this myself:
@ 0:39 older woman in white cardigan flinches and ducks, man with her follows. @ 0:40 A flash can be seen behind where the woman's head was. I slowed the video way down (.25) to make sure I was seeing what I think I'm seeing: person in black with extended arm, pulls arm back, steps back, extends arm, then what looked to me like muzzle flash. What do you all think?

Adding this to the big thread - comprehensive overview of timeline (as it currently stands) based on police scanner from during and after event.

TIMELINE OF LAS VEGAS MASSACRE BASED ON SCANNER - DURING & AFTER

a reply to: nicevillegrl

it's not that video, thanks for trying.

the one i was talking about the guy is not pictured, he just talks. starts out talking about hearing about shooters at gate 7 and trying to find out more, so he went to google streets and went around the fair grounds looking for it. only found 1 thru 6 and then he came, i'm pretty sure he came to the south west corner and found gate 1b then i know i remember gate 2b. that the best i can remember of it, some is vague. still looking, i've got a lot of searches and videos in the histories. may take a while have to open the ones i think it might be so far no joy. i had no idea that i looked at that many in the past two weeks. glad i've been lazy and haven't deleted the stuff like i usually do.