Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

Was the blood around the body reported to be already congealed when the shooter was found @ 11:20?
The shots stopped @ 10:15.

a reply to: IAMTAT

This is to everyone I get Michael Savage on delay in Florida but he is inviting anyone in Vegas that was there to call, separate line and all...

a reply to: Domo1

That IS what I was saying. The point I was trying to make is, ultimately that's not what he did. He wasn't able to sight it in as well as he thought. So, what he did instead was to just start lobbing rounds into the crowd until he saw people falling.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Well, if you believe the picture of the perp (dead) is real, then it would seem to me to suggest he was rolled over upon discovery, whereupon congealed blood flooded out of the exit wound in the top back of his skull onto the carpet. This would explain the two different types of blood stains on the carpet below his head. It would also tend to explain how why some of the shell casings have blood on top of them which appears congealed like the blood on the carpet, and some don't (because the thinner blood just flooded the carpet underneath them.

Just my opinion, but whatever.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: IAMTAT

Well, if you believe the picture of the perp (dead) is real, then it would seem to me to suggest he was rolled over upon discovery, whereupon congealed blood flooded out of the exit wound in the top back of his skull onto the carpet. This would explain the two different types of blood stains on the carpet below his head. It would also tend to explain how why some of the shell casings have blood on top of them which appears congealed like the blood on the carpet, and some don't (because the thinner blood just flooded the carpet underneath them.

Just my opinion, but whatever.

Do tattos fade when someone dies from blood loss? I didnt see a 13 on the dead guys neck.

originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273
Guys, we really need to discuss this.

SWAT claimed they had to breach the connecting door to 32-134. That is because these doors have two deadbolts, one on each side, so the room can be rented individually and locked by either party.

That means the shooter, who is claimed to have been shooting out both windows, at some point locked the connecting door from the inside and went out the front door of 32-134.

If Stephen was the only shooter, that means he went back into 32-135 front door, barricaded the door with furniture, continued to shoot at security officer through the door, and then killed himself at one point. None of that makes sense....

Why was that inner door locked? Why was it locked from the inside so that anyone in 32-135 couldn't get into 32-134? Why have an elaborate camera system set up through room 32-134 if you are just going to walk out the front door past the camera?

It almost seems like someone trapped Stephen in the room, and then shot at the front door of 32-135 any time he tried to escape.

On that note, I am not buying the security guard story. They want us to believe an unarmed security guard was trying to enter room 32-135 because the door was ajar, and he found that it was barricaded, then got shot. All the security guard had was a baton.

Who in the right mind brings a baton to an automatic rifle fight?

For those that still don't understand the layout of the room, and the fact that two rooms were rented:

www.nbcnews.com...

But a week later, he rented two rooms at the Mandalay Bay and opened fire on the Route 91 Harvest festival 32 floors below, killing 58 people

Here is a walk through of the exact room:
www.youtube.com...

This has a very nice panorama of the room near the bottom, and on the far right is the "door to the next hotel room".
www.nytimes.com...

We need more information about what happened inside of 32-134... Someone locked it from the inside, and walked right out the front door. I highly doubt he walked right into 32-135 because it was barricaded. I think they escaped. They trapped Stephen in and he had no choice but to kill himself.

Thankfully the NYTimes was useful for once and gave us the best look at what I was trying to say earlier this afternoon.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Correct and if he was suicidal why not by a LEO in a blaze of glory shooting as he goes down...

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Why would they roll him over on top of another AR-15?

www.nytimes.com...

His left hand/glove is resting on top of the buttstock of another gun which he is laying on top of. Which nytimes and others have missed.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: IAMTAT

Well, if you believe the picture of the perp (dead) is real, then it would seem to me to suggest he was rolled over upon discovery, whereupon congealed blood flooded out of the exit wound in the top back of his skull onto the carpet. This would explain the two different types of blood stains on the carpet below his head. It would also tend to explain how why some of the shell casings have blood on top of them which appears congealed like the blood on the carpet, and some don't (because the thinner blood just flooded the carpet underneath them.

Just my opinion, but whatever.

First let me say I don't know what the hell happened. This I do know we have a friend and his son sat in bed and put a gun in his mouth and blew his brains out. My husband went immediately to help clean up. There were all kinds of blood and brains all over the bed and wall...this is trying my nerves...
If this is too graphic please delete...

originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273
Wow, I am not alone. Check out 4:38 on this video.

So the security guard didn't help stop anything.

This is an excellent video. Shows you how much shooting took place before the cab driver video.

You know, that suite is large....are we sure that the second blown out window is in the room next door? Why do we think that? Was it told to us that the other window was in the room next door, or are we assuming that?

Could it just be in the corner? The diagram FlyingClay just posted shows that the wall does angle.....

a reply to: judydawg

Correct and if he was suicidal why not by a LEO in a blaze of glory shooting as he goes down...

Because chance would only be wounded and survive

He did not want to wind up in jail (like his father) for rest of life

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: judydawg

Correct and if he was suicidal why not by a LEO in a blaze of glory shooting as he goes down...

Because chance would only be wounded and survive

He did not want to wind up in jail (like his father) for rest of life

Wonder what woudl had happenned if he had a vietnam era grenade launcher an da few rounds to escape the cops.

Report on Fox just now that investigators are looking for a Mystery women that was seen with Paddock in the casino on several occasions in the days leading to the shooting.

a reply to: yuppa

Not really. They stay the same color actually. However, the skin darkens to a blue-grey color, making them less prominent, less contrast. Remember, tats are usually blue and black. Would one disappear? I don't think so, personally.

So, I have no explanation for the apparent discrepancy. I lead off the post with "if you believe the picture". The other photos seem pretty consistent with that one, but they all could be faked for all I know.

One thing I am reasonably confident in is the carpet color and pattern. So, if these photos were faked, then someone did one hell of a job on the photoshop efforts and staging.

a reply to: KansasGirl

This is not an assumption. It is what is roughly being reported, but yet hidden at the same time.

It is reported by abcnews that two rooms were rented in Mandalay Bay.

NYTimes has graphics separating the two rooms.
static01.nyt.com...

www.nytimes.com...

It's also a fact that the service cart with the hallway camera on it has wires leading into room 32-134 and those wires run through the connecting door to 32-135.

So, no we are not assuming. That is one of my main questions. Why did they rent two rooms? Why not just use the windows on the angle? Even further more, why was the door to room 32-134 locked from the inside so that SWAT had to breach it? That means someone was in that room to lock it, and left out the front door.

This image is accurate.

a reply to: Dragoon01

Is there any indication of truth in the "rumors" that this was the same woman observed to be running around the concert 45 minutes before the shooting yelling everyone was gonna' die?

Just asking.

It's out there. Don't know if it's true, but it's out there.

I was thinking of that Jason Aldean song today... "Crazy Town." It's a song about Nashville, yet its odd that he was the concert taking place during the shooting. Here are some lyrics from Crazy Town....

"It's a crazy town, full of neon dreams
Everybody plays, everybody sings
Hollywood with a touch of twang
To be a star you gotta bang, bang, bang"

a reply to: Dragoon01

Is there any indication of truth in the "rumors" that this was the same woman observed to be running around the concert 45 minutes before the shooting yelling everyone was gonna' die?

Just asking.

It's out there. Don't know if it's true, but it's out there.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: yuppa

Not really. They stay the same color actually. However, the skin darkens to a blue-grey color, making them less prominent, less contrast. Remember, tats are usually blue and black. Would one disappear? I don't think so, personally.

So, I have no explanation for the apparent discrepancy. I lead off the post with "if you believe the picture". The other photos seem pretty consistent with that one, but they all could be faked for all I know.

One thing I am reasonably confident in is the carpet color and pattern. So, if these photos were faked, then someone did one hell of a job on the photoshop efforts and staging.

Ahhh got it. And it was a color that would had been less prominent after death it seems. And If it has no tat though..that might be someone else that is dead there and the shooter left a patsy corpse.