Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

2 #ing shooters

a reply to: AdemirAlagic

Umm. I was pretty clear I think. I don't know what happened. I wasn't there. The stories are very contradictory. I was outlining some inconsistent statements I observed and asking for ppls thoughts. So ...thoughts?

Nobody should forget this main fact:

No one actually saw Stephen Paddock shoot any gun.

They found a dead man in a room full of guns, and everything else is hypothesis.

This guy wasn't even in the window shooting because nobody saw any flashes he was back... that's why they didn't know where it was coming from. Professional job... 2 shooters dead pasty

originally posted by: AMPTAH
Nobody should forget this main fact:

No one actually saw Stephen Paddock shoot any gun.

They found a dead man in a room full of guns, and everything else is hypothesis.

Exactly. The shooter wasn't even near the window because you can't even see flashes

The law enforcement guys are so stupid they clearly say they hear two different sounding weapons yet assume he was just switching guns doing from window to window.. when it clearly was two shooters one in each window.. one for the crowd leaving and one for the concert. No flashes were seen because both of these shooters were further back wasn't like they were near the window shooting like a amateur would...

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
This guy wasn't even in the window shooting because nobody saw any flashes he was back... that's why they didn't know where it was coming from. Professional job... 2 shooters dead pasty

Follow it back to who is set to profit..
OSI

www.nbcnews.com...

Officers found the suspect down on the ground, Lombardo said. They then breached the door to the second room in the suite, but no one was there, he said.

This is getting very interesting!

The Sheriff and FBI are claiming they couldn't access the other room, and they had to breach the second room, which was empty. Which room they are talking about is very important! (see my previous posts)

It is very normal for connecting hotel rooms to be lockable on both sides so you can't sneak into your neighbors room. I am assuming they are talking about room 32-134 (which had the other broken window), and they couldn't unlock it because it was locked on the other side. So they breached it. If this door was locked, that means someone locked it from the inside, and then escaped through the front door (the door next to the food cart with the camera).

It also means Stephen Paddock couldn't easily switch between the two broken windows, because the door to room 32-134 was locked. This means there is a possibility of another shooter that was in the room and has escaped.

The other explanation is that somehow Stephen locked the door from the inside of room 32-134, walked out the front door of room 32-134 (past the food cart with security camera) and back into the front door of 32-135 with the bullet holes in it, and then "suicided". Which sounds unlikely.

I doubt they are talking about the actual bedroom inside suite 32-135 because that door doesn't have locking door knobs, it only has a dead bolt lock that can only be locked from the inside! There is no way for you to lock the door from the outside, nor lock it and shut it closed. It's a deadbolt, if that at all.

See here:


Source: www.youtube.com...

To be clear...

originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: tiredoflooking
a reply to: antibren

Yep there was definitely an early report of a leo dead. It seemed to change and have morphed into the guy who only got shot in the leg then limped around until they had to tell him to go get medical help. I guess his blood is everywhere then...

What’s crazy is two officers are dead both off duty but in one of the first pressers with the sheriff he mentions that off duty officers were the first to the security...

My guess is there were off-duty officers at the concert as well. I'd assume if we're trying to glue all the narratives together, those were the ones who were killed. That's actually a relatively easy one to make sense of, but so many things have been stated officially that contradict, I don't blame anyone at this point.
I get the sense there probably is some tension over how this is being played out. That's not incredibly uncommon and doesn't make this a sting or gun deal gone bad. It still makes for a big mess if they are trying to get one narrative out. Three days out and the public is still in the dark on even the simplest of things. Rumours are replacing facts because there is an absence of facts. Like one-room/two-room. They had that information almost instantly from the hotel. Pretty straight forward. Who has checked into and reserved -14 and -15? Someone and Mr. Paddock. Possibly someone is also Mr. Paddock. Seems likely even. But we have all sorts of stories circulating because they haven't made a clear answer or have given competing answers. I've seen people in uniforms and suits speaking in official capacities give competing answers to basic answers like "how'd they narrow it down to those rooms?" "Fire alarm" "not the fire alarm" "Call from other guest" "cleared wings room by room" "hotel security found him first" "two officers teamed with security and found him together". I haven't even watched a third of the briefings probably, and I've personally seen those answers.
No wonder people are confused and skeptical. It's a cluster#. 3 days and everyone's clueless. "No note". Okay, then can you release photos of whatever is placed securely under that roll of tape and pen in a conspicuous spot?

a reply to: 0x6372756d6273
I was just correcting research100 on him trying to get a condo last year. The reports about him trying to get one at the Ogden for Life is Beautiful are from this year. And other people saying he'd get comped or get any room he wanted in that building.

It isn't a hotel and it didn't work like that. I think I remember someone there telling me around 75% of the residents live there so only a limited supply of air bnb rooms on each floor. Although she(my daughter) had quite a few on her floor.

Living spaces started on floor 8 up to 23. Under that was garage on floors 2-7 and retail/restaurants/offices etc on the first floor.

a reply to: Xcathdra

This is interesting. Paddock owns the plane so it was previously "connected" to a defense contractor. Wonder what that means. I had a thread...have to be careful how I say what here...lets do it like this... I am of the opinion that Paddock himself is very spook like...fed, contractor, mafia...something. Just a guess though. Also he did, it comes out now, work for Lockheed Martin and it's subsidiaries for years as well as other odd government jobs. He was some kind of operative. So either he still was or if retired he bought a plane from his buddies? The second idea is probably not true

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originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273
www.nbcnews.com...

Officers found the suspect down on the ground, Lombardo said. They then breached the door to the second room in the suite, but no one was there, he said.

This is getting very interesting!

The Sheriff and FBI are claiming they couldn't access the other room, and they had to breach the second room, which was empty. Which room they are talking about is very important! (see my previous posts)

It is very normal for connecting hotel rooms to be lockable on both sides so you can't sneak into your neighbors room. I am assuming they are talking about room 32-134 (which had the other broken window), and they couldn't unlock it because it was locked on the other side. So they breached it. If this door was locked, that means someone locked it from the inside, and then escaped through the front door (the door next to the food cart with the camera).

It also means Stephen Paddock couldn't easily switch between the two broken windows, because the door to room 32-134 was locked. This means there is a possibility of another shooter that was in the room and has escaped.

The other explanation is that somehow Stephen locked the door from the inside of room 32-134, walked out the front door of room 32-134 (past the food cart with security camera) and back into the front door of 32-135 with the bullet holes in it, and then "suicided". Which sounds unlikely.

I doubt they are talking about the actual bedroom inside suite 32-135 because that door doesn't have locking door knobs, it only has a dead bolt lock that can only be locked form the inside! There is no way for you to lock the door from the outside, nor lock it and shut it closed. It's a deadbolt, if that at all.

See here:

Source: www.youtube.com...

To be clear...

Great insight

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: roadgravel

Haven't said I know what he was thinking
I said its clear he couldn't have escaped and as an intelligent man he would have known that even if he had, he would have been picked up easy peasy lemon squeezy

He was too well known and recognisable as a high roller to have a hope in hell of pulling this off and getting away

He might well have thought he could pull it off. Think of it this way---if he knows the staff, if he's a generous tipper, he could use that to his advantage. When he comes strolling down the stairs after shooting into the crowd, he's a known quantity to the staff---nice old fellow, regular guest there, good tipper---not someone you, as a staff member would automatically suspect had just committed mass murder. Especially if he had a smooth story about being told by the cops to evacuate the building. Remember---this guy was a successful professional gambler; that's takes a goodly amount of self discipline and the ability to act. He had an iPad there so there's every possibility that he was listening to the livestream of the police department. Part of his planning may have been to listen to that stream to see what the average response time of the Vegas cops.

He was a numbers guy. He would have calculated these things. Perhaps these calculations led him to believe that he could leave the hotel unmolested, get into his car, drive to his plane and be on his way to his secret hideout before anyone began looking for him. Have they checked to see if his planes were gassed up and ready to go? Do we know where the planes are parked?

Just some musings to play devil's advocate for the idea of whether he thought he could survive this attack. But it does nothing to explain why he shot into that crowd. If he didn't leave behind a manifesto I don't suppose we'll ever know.

originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273
www.nbcnews.com...

Officers found the suspect down on the ground, Lombardo said. They then breached the door to the second room in the suite, but no one was there, he said.

This is getting very interesting!

The Sheriff and FBI are claiming they couldn't access the other room, and they had to breach the second room, which was empty. Which room they are talking about is very important! (see my previous posts)

It is very normal for connecting hotel rooms to be lockable on both sides so you can't sneak into your neighbors room. I am assuming they are talking about room 32-134 (which had the other broken window), and they couldn't unlock it because it was locked on the other side. So they breached it. If this door was locked, that means someone locked it from the inside, and then escaped through the front door (the door next to the food cart with the camera).

It also means Stephen Paddock couldn't easily switch between the two broken windows, because the door to room 32-134 was locked. This means there is a possibility of another shooter that was in the room and has escaped.

The other explanation is that somehow Stephen locked the door from the inside of room 32-134, walked out the front door of room 32-134 (past the food cart with security camera) and back into the front door of 32-135 with the bullet holes in it, and then "suicided". Which sounds unlikely.

I doubt they are talking about the actual bedroom inside suite 32-135 because that door doesn't have locking door knobs, it only has a dead bolt lock that can only be locked from the inside! There is no way for you to lock the door from the outside, nor lock it and shut it closed. It's a deadbolt, if that at all.

See here:

Source: www.youtube.com...

To be clear...

It's clearly two shooters. The give away is the 2 broken windows

The shooter supposedly committed suicide before law enforcement entered. I am curious about the specifics of that suicide now.

a reply to: diggindirt
He clearly left behind something or somebody did? Remember green tape?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Definitely time of death will be a good place to start. Also gsr on his hands.

originally posted by: tiredoflooking
a reply to: Xcathdra

Definitely time of death will be a good place to start. Also gsr on his hands.

They can determine if he shot himself or someone shot him

a reply to: diggindirt

His medical license wasn't renewed for him to fly his private plane from what I read.