Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

a reply to: Bluesma

Cant believe 58 Dead.

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GuidedKill
cilvilan ar's chambered for 5.56 can handle the pressures.

5.56 is the military issued rounds for the M16. The .223 is the civilian counterpart of the 5.56

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: silo13

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: firerescue

Of course a true conspiracy theorist would have already come up with a theory that a second shooter from the Mossad/CIA/NSA removed the windows to shoot After finishing shooting a team of ninja glaziers replaced the windows before the police arrived .....

Don't forget, he walked in through the front doors with his 10 pieces of luggage and ... a big pane of glass.

Not likely is it?

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A 'big pane of glass' ???

What did I miss?

Clearly, he was going to exhibit at the gun show and needed some bullet proof glass to demonstrate with.

Try reading the whole thread before making inane comments.

Some are suggesting there was a second shooter on the 4th floor due to muzzle flash. Since the windows on the 4th floor are whole it is not possible. The windows do not open.

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a reply to: GuidedKill

my point is that you can convert to mil spec with parts, and that mil spec rifles are sold to civilians.
the average shooter does not do the kind of shooting that your video shows, and you can not tell for certain from the sound that the shooter used the same rifle, remember he had how many in the room.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Is the gf Filipino?

That's what they say.

The Ar-15's were modded to take different size bullets, too.

I don't know what any of that entails to be done, tho.

Seems like one would need different parts machined pretty well.

Maybe beyond what one can do without the machinery at home?

So who did it?

So your source is claiming he not only modified the AR15 to go full auto, but was also modified for different bullets too?

LEO/FBI haven't revealed what type of firearms he used but anyone with any sense about firearms knows it wasn't an AR15, modified or not. They cannot shoot that many rounds without going into full melt down mode. They aren't that accurate from that distance, according to some military friends, either.

Military/LEO ppl I know suspect he used a SAW or AK. The AK he could've owned for a number of years but if he used a SAW then someone's got some explaining to do on how he acquired such a deadly military weapon.

Regardless, it wasn't an AR15. Please do research before making such claims. If it was an AR15 many less people would've been hurt and killed and the sucker would have gotten too hot. Too hot = less rounds shot.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


you can buy a ar semi auto chambered in 5.56. same with 7.62.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

What is your opinion of this video:

twitter.com...

It starts with a gun full auto, then at .05 seconds you hear another gun shooting two 4 round bursts while the other gun is still going full auto. If the sound from .05 was an echo, or from the gun that starts the video, it wouldn't do four round burst with a pause in the middle. It would exactly match the starting gun rhythm.

I say there were more than one shooters, unless he was shooting with both hands.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to:

GuidedKill
cilvilan ar's chambered for 5.56 can handle the pressures.

5.56 is the military issued rounds for the M16. The .223 is the civilian counterpart of the 5.56

Once again you’re wrong... 5.56 NATO was developed by NATO based off the original .223 caliber. 5.56NATO were slight changes made to the round for standardization of rounds between militaries... both are available to civilians and .223 will fire in a barrel in 5.56 NATO but not the other way around.

.223 will only fire .223

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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Not entirely correct. If the barrel is not stamped "5.56 NATO" it may not be able to handle that pressures...and many are only stamped ".223". The 5.56 NATO round is a hotter round than the straight .223, plus the primer is harder as well (which means it takes a harder strike to ignite, which results in a faster and more powerful ignition).

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

My AR is 5.56.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Zytryx

Look like reflections to me.

Looks like muzzle flash. I don't see anything similar above or below.

I have seen that at night fire sessions with M16's locked and loaded in the days of my youth in the Army, and it IS muzzle flash to me.

It also appears to flash erratically, instead of a fixed pattern like I would expect a strobe light to do..

That might be due to moving it around a bit as it has some recoil.

a reply to: GuidedKill

Well...either round will fire in either rifle, but the point is, one is not really safe to do.

originally posted by: anonfamily
A bird said:

This Stephen Paddock guy is a patsy. ISIS was the real shooter(s). There were multiple shooters in the same room, and shooters in a near by room, which is why there are two broken windows and so many guns.

You know how hard it is to get a room at Mandalay when there is a concert of 40k people scheduled? Especially getting a room of your choice that would have a good vantage point of the concert? That is because they didn't get that room, they just walked to the room they wanted, and they held the person staying in that room (Stephen Paddock) at gunpoint while they did their massacre.

As soon as their lookout on the first floor signaled that police have arrived, they shot Stephen Paddock in the head and made it look like a suicide. Then they went to other rooms they were staying in to hide. Now everyone thinks its this lone ranger no good nobody that did it, and the guys that really did it got away free.

It's posts like these that make me not come around ATS much any more...

He was in a suite...That suite included both windows that were shot out. I believe it was the Vista Suite, Google it.

This is nonsense. I thought for sure after the election settled down this sort of stuff would kind of fade away. Guess not.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Justoneman

You're confusing Sunnis with the violent branch of Wahhabis, the reform movement that was started in the 1700s. All Wahhabis consider themselves a revival movement of the "Salafis" (which is a sect that existed before Sunnis were even formed), though not all branches preach violence. However, all Wahhabi-type Salafis consider Sunni Islam to be tainted & watered down. They're also the ones with a blood feud with Shia Islam.

ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Al Shabaab, and Boko Haram are all Wahhabi-type Salafis like that. Not only do they also attack Sunnis like the Kurds & the Muslims in Nigeria, but they typically boost their numbers by recruiting poor and/or disillusioned Sunnis who are disgruntled with their Sunni communities.

Wahhabis are Sunni. They don't tolerate non wahhabism to exist as far as I can tell.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

The NATO designation in 7.62 actually doesn't make as much difference as it does in 5.56. Most .308 and .30-06 actions are heavy enough to take either round interchangeably...unlike 5.56 NATO.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Not entirely correct. If the barrel is not stamped "5.56 NATO" it may not be able to handle that pressures...and many are only stamped ".223". The 5.56 NATO round is a hotter round than the straight .223, plus the primer is harder as well (which means it takes a harder strike to ignite, which results in a faster and more powerful ignition).

I really appreciate that you know what you're talking about. I miss seeing that here on ATS...

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to:

GuidedKill
cilvilan ar's chambered for 5.56 can handle the pressures.

5.56 is the military issued rounds for the M16. The .223 is the civilian counterpart of the 5.56

Once again you’re wrong... 5.56 NATO was developed by NATO based off the original .223 caliber. 5.56NATO were slight changes made to the round for standardization of rounds between militaries... both are available to civilians and .223 will fire in a barrel in 5.56 NATO but not the other way around.

.223 will only fire .223

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My .223 (pictured in my avatar) will fire 5.56 just fine...also having a mil spec bcg only means its heavier, it's all in the fire control group to make it full auto and as others have said it's difficult to get those parts.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: GuidedKill

Well...either round will fire in either rifle, but the point is, one is not really safe to do.

You can shoot a .308 in a 7.62 as Well but you won’t find me doing it....

a reply to: lovebeck
I have seen the videos of ISIS utilizing remote controlled guns and rockets. Firearms shooting from tripods with nobody there but the camera recording. I have even uploaded just the clips of those capabilities when the original videos is taken down for terrorist propaganda. They still take even the clips down from youtube though. If it so much came out of one of their videos now YT will kill it.


It is a working theory as far as I am concerned seeing as they have demonstrated this capability. It is also unfortunately the reason we keep bombing civilians, ISIS is using remote guns to produce a false location for an airstrike. That kills us in the hearts and minds department, assholes.

a reply to: lovebeck

not only that he was a regular there and a millionaire. he got the red carpet when he walked in.