U Of Washington Study Links ‘Microaggressions’ To Whites-No Whites included in study

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

i feel like you're working pretty hard to rationalize away most of those. what kind of asshole would SAY 'you're pretty, for a black girl?' your own personal preferences notwithstanding, i'm assuming you realize that expressing them like that is a dick move.

and i do consider making fun of people for being rural another type of microagression. having moved from the midwest to both coasts i've experienced it myself.

your post about intention vs literal meaning is not really out of alignment with my position, however. my friends and i say terrible things to each other in affection. but would i say those things to someone who doesn't share our bond? no.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The problem here is that the author of the study is one of those academics that defines terms irrationally.

For example a “microaggression” in his words is defined as directed at a minority. Only at a minority.

You can’t therefore in this kind of wacky world be microagressed against.

a reply to: fiverx313

Telling a woman "You pretty, for a (insert whatever here)" is a dick move no matter how you slice it. Telling my friend, "Wow, she's kinda hot for a (insert whatever here)" is not.

If that woman overhears and takes offense, then she should not be eavesdropping I guess.

I, personally, don't like hearing someone being told, "You would be so pretty if you'd just lose some weight". Most of the women I have dated in my life have been told this by someone. I always thought they were perfect. I guess you can't account for personal taste, or the fears of social stigma.

That said...i like assholes feeling free to be assholes. It makes it easier for me to know who I don't want to associate with.

a reply to: Gryphon66

My oldest graduated with a liberal arts degree from Texas Tech. He preaches to me about how white people cannot suffer racial discrimination because we dominate the culture.

I tell him that all the money we spent on his education was wasted, as he's gotten stupider as a result.

My youngest son laughs, my oldest gets offended, and my wife rolls her eyes. LOL

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: fiverx313

Telling a woman "You pretty, for a (insert whatever here)" is a dick move no matter how you slice it. .

Straight guys aren’t usually this dumb are they? Geez no wonder the population is declining... /s

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: fiverx313

Telling a woman "You pretty, for a (insert whatever here)" is a dick move no matter how you slice it. .

Straight guys aren’t usually this dumb are they? Geez no wonder the population is declining... /s

They are. Not typically...but they are.

Mostly its about power and control. The "alpha" jerks pull this nonsense. In fact, its a tactic. You give a compliment, followed by a backhanded insult, as a lead in for picking a girl up. "Wow, you're really hot. Almost as hot as my buddies girlfriend over there." The girls with some emotional damage to exploit eat this crap up.

I hate people like that. Seriously....i hate d-bags that exploit people for sex.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Gryphon66

My oldest graduated with a liberal arts degree from Texas Tech. He preaches to me about how white people cannot suffer racial discrimination because we dominate the culture.

I tell him that all the money we spent on his education was wasted, as he's gotten stupider as a result.

My youngest son laughs, my oldest gets offended, and my wife rolls her eyes. LOL

Academics live in a rarified environment. I had the same argument with a sociology prof in 1985.

It’s absurd.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: fiverx313

Telling a woman "You pretty, for a (insert whatever here)" is a dick move no matter how you slice it. .

Straight guys aren’t usually this dumb are they? Geez no wonder the population is declining... /s

They are. Not typically...but they are.

Mostly its about power and control. The "alpha" jerks pull this nonsense. In fact, its a tactic. You give a compliment, followed by a backhanded insult, as a lead in for picking a girl up. "Wow, you're really hot. Almost as hot as my buddies girlfriend over there." The girls with some emotional damage to exploit eat this crap up.

I hate people like that. Seriously....i hate d-bags that exploit people for sex.

Yeah. I know. What’s that called “negging”? D-bag-dom squared.

originally posted by: DisinfoEqualsTerrorism

originally posted by: DisinfoEqualsTerrorism
a reply to: seasonal

You can't commit a micro aggression without intent.

So actually you're wrong.

Let's say, now that it's 'on the record' that you are 'questioning'.

He can now 'accidentally' call you the wrong pronoun as 'he adjusts' over demanded usage of pronouns.

Sure there can be innocent mistake, but if every time they incorrectly address you after you've reintroduced yourself, it's not a mistake, it's an intended slur to how you perceive yourself verses how they perceive you.

If you meet a trans person and the first time you meet them you get the pronoun wrong, 98/100 will forgive you. If you repeatedly call them the wrong pronoun, and it seems to become aware to them you are doing that on purpose, they will hate you, simple as that, but most of you know, and are just purposefully being hateful.(for that effect)

Calling somebody something they want to be called that is unique to them is not a right. You don't get to force me to change the way the world works because YOU want to live in a bubble.

That said, I actually do have trans friends and they LOL at pronouns on the regular, because they too, like me -- don't like to be told by someone else to do X in Y manner. That's exactly the point, "micro aggression" is just the new way to say "offensive" and anything you could possibly say, someone is going to take with offense, which is the definition of subjectivity.

If you're a man that wants to be a girl, get used to she, if you're a female that wants to be male, get used to he, because there are only two genders, it's He and She, no zei or what ever.

Here is a case and point at how fake gender pronouns overly and overtly complicate normal statements.

Tyler ate hir food because ze was hungry.

Sorry bruh. It's

Tyler ate her food because he was hungry.

We don't get to force language use on people, especially one that's purely and totally made up and make believe, and then get mad when someone doesn't abide you, that's called being selfish. You want to hate me because I refuse to play by your rules, cool -- I don't want to know your selfish person, but check this out -- I STILL WON'T HATE YOU.

Today you got normal bi-sexual guys using invented pronouns and getting mad when you won't use it, you're still a he dude, you just like both, just like that guy is a he and also likes both, there is no difference, so no -- I'm not call you a ze while calling him a he, grow up. I'll call you by whatever name you want to go by, but I will not then add a custom pronoun. Your name is either masculine or feminine and it's going to take the pronoun accordingly.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Husband and I pick on each other all the time ... all in good fun. In fact, my entire family does it. The family motto is "When you're good, you've gotta take a lot of abuse!"

However, we are currently facing a challenge in our kiddo. He's a wonderful boy, very sensitive and empathic, and he also has auditory processing disorder which means he has trouble accurately processing what people say or intend. So we have to be very careful with him. He tends to take some things way too literally. If I say I'm gonna eat him, he will sometimes think I mean it.

I guess I'm richly earning the family nickname of "Mean Old Mom."

I mentioned earlier that I have personal experience with Emory University in Atlanta.

These lines are from the Student Code of Conduct:

Although it is neither possible nor necessary to specify every instance of misconduct that could result in disciplinary action against a student, the following are examples of the types of behavior that are considered violations of this Code.

b. Engaging in conduct that is likely to cause physical injury or emotional distress or otherwise
endanger any person.
c. Threatening, intimidating, or coercing any person.

Office of Student Conduct

I've seen this used against students for "microaggression" ... in one case a kid was reprimanded for saying "Oriental" rather than "Asian" in reference to another student (from Korea).

I love Emory, the hubby and I are active members in the Alumni Association but ... there are rational limits to how much we can control (and punish) for speech.

a reply to: ketsuko



I think your child is pretty darned lucky myself.

a reply to: fiverx313

Yet
'your white privilege is what allows you to say that'
'you're only succeeding because you had advantages of birth'
'you cant know what it's like to grow up black'
'white people can't be victims of racism'
'that's just your cis-white male privilege'
etc. aren't microagressions?

We don't need new words and theories for this in any way, nor do we need to divide everyone further along racial lines over it. It's pretty simple... some people are assholes and everybody awkwardly words things from time to time. Get over it and move on from it, there's nothing about it that makes you special nor targeted, it's simply part of living in a mixed culture.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Credit where credit's due: excellent points.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: fiverx313

Telling a woman "You pretty, for a (insert whatever here)" is a dick move no matter how you slice it. .

Straight guys aren’t usually this dumb are they? Geez no wonder the population is declining... /s

Some are, and sadly they are this dumb because some women are dumb enough to tolerate it on a personal level.

Here's one I've heard all my life: "You can't be gay, you act too straight."

Now, granted, culturally speaking, for some people, this is a compliment.

I could be incensed (and know lots of folks that would be) except for the fact that "being gay" has always been a part of my personality, not the sum total.

I encountered a young trans* person a few years ago. They were "non-binary." I will admit, I am a bit old school, and I used an older word common in the culture I grew up in ... "tranny." I tried to help some of them understand that it was "proud trannies" (as they referred to themselves) that finally fought back at Stonewall which could arguably be the beginning of the gay civil rights movement.

That was the night I discovered that along with being White Atheist Mixed Gay Irish Sarcastic and Dead Sexy ... I'm also "cisgendered" which of course means that my gender identity agrees with my biological sex. I guess I missed that day back in Gay School.

They were upset because I had used male pronouns having just met them. Okay, granted, now that I know I'll use what they wanted me to call them. Guess what, that wasn't good enough because they are also "fluid" ... the kid lambasted me for about 10 minutes, and I finally answered back. You can imagine how that went.

Suffice it to say, hubby and I were not invited back to many "LGBT Social Events" anymore.

(PS, now, am I using "microaggression" above? As a member of a minority, according to the professor, I'm actually micro aggressing on myself. This is the edge of insanity.)

originally posted by: seasonal
The study, oddly enough, only asked minority students if they experienced micro aggression, no white people were included in the survey. Odd.

Speaking to The College Fix, Kanter said that older research only surveyed the experiences of minorities, but didn’t ask white people how often they engage in microaggressions. “We were motivated to develop a measure of White people’s self-reported likelihood of actually saying the things that Black students say they experience as microaggressive,” he said.

dailycaller.com...

Assuming Asians enjoy rice is a micro aggression. And according to this study (of only minority students) white students are the problem.

A study at the University of Washington claims an empirical link between “microaggressions” and racism in white students. The study also claims that “conservative ideological beliefs” are firmly linked to racism.

Microaggressions are defined as subtle forms of bias that are not as blatant as shouting a racial slur, or openly discriminating against a person based on their race. They are claimed to emerge in everyday exchanges, which may offend ethnic minorities. In recent years, microaggressions have come to encompass other forms of “marginalization” relating to gender, sexuality, weight, and appearance.

First, I can get the concept of microaggressions, i.e. subtle behaviors or statements towards another based on ignorance, stereotyping, or prejudice. But, I think that all kinds of people can do this. I've experienced people project things on me based on me being a white, blonde, male. This idea that only white people would do this is silly. Even people I'm cool with at times have stated stereotypes about me, and been mildly shocked when I state my actual view on things or life experience.

Also, the problem just like a lot of other discussions in identity politics is that as soon as someone claims or perceives microagggressions (just like claiming sexism or racism), it's automatically assumed that the person perceiving it is correct. Now, they may be in some circumstances, but psychology shows that ALL people show bias of their own at various points, and may be misperceiving someone's actions as some kind of subtle prejudice. Ironically, this assumption when this is the case could be argued to be a form of microagression itself, for example assuming that some random action is prejudicial, because the person doing it is white or a male let's say.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

This topic, in my opinion, is an actual example of the actions of genuine "SJWs" at work by the way (noting a recent conversation of ours.)

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

This topic, in my opinion, is an actual example of the actions of genuine "SJWs" at work by the way (noting a recent conversation of ours.)

Thanks for that convo by the way. Do you mean, in this instance, that the microaggression discourse is exemplary of SJW excesses, or that some SJWs themselves seem to engage in microagressions?

a reply to: seasonal

But white supremacy is the problem in the US LOL

Supremacy is definitely a problem in the US but it's not coming from People Of Whiteness that is for sure.