I'd Guess maybe 5 Percent of those who watch the NFL stand for the Anthem. The hypocrisy is HUGE

a reply to: ColoradoJens

What's telling to me is that no one has yet said that they stand and face the flag every time they hear the national anthem regardless of where they are, as the flag code says they should do.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ColoradoJens


Most Networks don't show the National Anthem, unless its the NFL playoffs. They have commercials running.

Does that upset you? When it is on, do you stand in your living room?

DO YOU? I don't.

I appreciate your honesty - no i don't. It's never crossed my mind. So what's your beef with the NFL players not standing?

When I'm at a game, I stand because everyone else is standing. If tradition changes one day, and everyone sits, I'll sit. It's not that important of a thing for me to buck the tradition.

My beef is that the players are not just sitting, kneeling, holding up fists, or hiding in the tunnel, out of non-chalantness. They are PROTESTING during the United States National Anthem. It's a disgusting disgrace.

Spot on!

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: LSU0408

Well, address what I said rather than what you want to say if you expect discussion from me. The matter here is of appropriate respect. You as many seem to want to dictate to others how they show respect, not that uncommon among garden-variety right-wingers as most haven't advanced far beyond simple core authoritarianism.

To take a knee is to show respect, in one of the most solemn possible times in my example. Kaepernick discussed it with a Green Beret and decided on this approach to a way to show respect and make a statement.

If you don't like it ... or think it's a respectful gesture, so what? For some, it is, with valid precedence.

No you blustering fool, it's not what we say people show respect, it's how they show disrespect.

Protest in another form. Make it meaningful. Don't ostracise an entire segment of the population who may perhaps be with you, but are now against you.

Jesus #ing christ, why are you so purposely dense?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: badw0lf
a reply to: Gryphon66

Oh go play in the freeway, parts.

After you.

Nope, It's all yours.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ColoradoJens

I just re-read your post. What is your grievance? I don't get it.

It is about the hypocrisy of dishonest partisan ideologues who wrap themselves in the fake cloak of patriotism while pretending to judge others on whether their patriotism is sufficient.

But really, it's not.

It's a point scoring test to make a new thread. She said as much herself.

I did say I wanted to poll ATS to see how many people stood while at home in a bar etc. If you can't understand why that's your problem.

You said you were gathering the information for a new thread you were making.

Low form.

Hope you got what you wanted. but I am sure you'll ignore the real point against this form of protest to further your agenda.

I wont kneel before you.

a reply to: Gryphon66

AND the COMMUNIST CHORUS girls chime in...because being a MAN is toxic...

a reply to: ColoradoJens

You're either a troll or uneducated. It is custom to stand and face the flag WHEN YOU ARE IN THE PRESENCE of the flag when the anthem is being played.

Just like in the military whenever you pass a flying US flag you salute 10 steps prior and hold the salute for 10 steps once you pass the flag. You don't salute the flag when you see it on TV.

Gain some perspective and stop being a troll.

np

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

AND the COMMUNIST CHORUS girls chime in...because being a MAN is toxic...

I dunno Cav ... I kinda like men myself.

a reply to: Outlier13

So you don't feel patriotism welling up inside of you whenever you hear "Oh say can you see..." start?

What a shame it's all about rules for you.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ColoradoJens

What's telling to me is that no one has yet said that they stand and face the flag every time they hear the national anthem regardless of where they are, as the flag code says they should do.

No one has asked that question yet. The OP was if people stand at home.

I do stand with hand over heart when I hear the national anthem. I'll look for a flag and if I don't see one, turn towards the source of the song. It's called respect.

a reply to: Gryphon66

AR15,totin,pain ignorin ,Commie killin man?
You see ,THOSE are a sign of mental ILLNESS, to the losing factions.
THAT and OF course I get all emo about the flag.TOO many friends lost to it.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I do. I thought the OP was only asking about in homes (of mine or friends). Had I understood the question was about anywhere, I would've stated anywhere
in my other reply.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Honest men primarily ... the rest is negotiable.

More seriously, I'm not sure what All the chatter is about with rules etc.

You either feel love of country ... or you don't, and if you do, it doesn't matter where you are, what you're doing.

I'm not a big fan of rules.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Well I guess that means you're not one of the hypocrites the OP was speaking of. Congratulations.

Comparing those who stand at the venue to those at home? Get an F-in life dude. When at the venue hell yes you stand and honor the flag and the anthem. Go to Cuba. I bet you have a Che Rivera T shirt. The kneeling started over the man child thief in Ferguson Missouri. It was all BS about his hands being up. Kid was bad and did a dumb thing and got shot. Now we kneel to that. Please.

This thread makes about as much sense as asking everyone who is pro-life how many children they have adopted.

About the same percentage of the answers in this thread if not less.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Well I guess that means you're not one of the hypocrites the OP was speaking of. Congratulations.

The OP is splitting hairs and missing the point of the public backlash.

No one is denying that these people have the right to protest. It is their choice of venue is not appropriate. These players are acting like a bunch of ignorant petulant brats who need to man up and act professional. They can be activists on their own time.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

So people aren't calling for these players to be punished for exercising their God given rights? Be mad at them all you want but when you start calling for them to be punished that is when I take issue with it.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

These players are acting like a bunch of ignorant petulant brats who need to man up and act professional.

That's the gist of it isn't it? To us people who moan and cry about them are the ones who are being brats and need to man up. And we don't see them as being ignorant and being childish. We see them speaking out against injustice and we understand the point. And it worked too well.