Trump NFL Anthem Free Speech Protest and Willful Ignorance

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree or don't understand why players are protesting. The point is that they are taking advantage of their 1st amendment rights, and if Trump has issue with it.. he should first of all keep his mouth shut. But failing that, he should take it up with the employer.. the NFL. Calling out players is pathetic. But no.. Trump has to go social-media-happy again, and proclaim his opinion to the world, even though it is pretty much a conflict of interest for him to do so.

a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

What people like you seem to be saying is that they should live under a different set of rules.

Where do you see anyone saying that? No one needs a different set of rules but how can you tell the rules are being equally applied?

a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

Again, you don't have to agree that black people are marginalized by the justice system. Why is Trump stirring it up again and do you support his attempt at stifling free speech?

Everything Trump said was true to an extent and not bad advice by any stretch of the imagination. He was only speaking his mind.

originally posted by: notsure1
To anyone that says it is not disrespectful, why do we even stand for the anthem and salute the flag at all?

If it wasnt considered disrespectful our beer drinking, hot dog eating fat asses would never stand up for it.

We stand out of respect right??

Or... brainwashing perhaps...

Honestly I find people who revere a flag or an anthem to be weirdos.

Especially when they put it above the Right to Protest & Humanity itself.

That’s just absolutely strange.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No universal set of rules for you huh?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

Again, you don't have to agree that black people are marginalized by the justice system. Why is Trump stirring it up again and do you support his attempt at stifling free speech?

He didn't stifle free speech in any way. If you want to find that, look at Berkeley and ANTIFA. The media's non-stop demonizing of the tea party was an attempt to stifle free speech. Trump disagreeing with the fake protest over Twitter, not so much.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

What people like you seem to be saying is that they should live under a different set of rules.

Where do you see anyone saying that? No one needs a different set of rules but how can you tell the rules are being equally applied?

The left seemingly wants black men to not be arrested for their crimes. I see no other way of interpreting their position. Why os this even being framed as a racial issue considering way more whites are killed by cops? Have you ever heard of CopBlock? Look it up on youtube. Pages and pages worth of white people being denied rights and beaten up by cops.

a reply to: Kali74

No universal set of rules for you huh?

I think anyone is allowed to speak their mind, including the president. The only one bringing up the legality of what he said was you, if I'm not mistaken.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Kali74

No universal set of rules for you huh?

I think anyone is allowed to speak their mind, including the president. The only one bringing up the legality of what he said was you, if I'm not mistaken.

Trump suggested consequences for Free Speech...

Do you agree with that?

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Kali74

No universal set of rules for you huh?

I think anyone is allowed to speak their mind, including the president. The only one bringing up the legality of what he said was you, if I'm not mistaken.

Trump suggested consequences for Free Speech...

Do you agree with that?

I disagree with his opinions on the consequences, though I agree with the opinion regarding their disrespect and disregard for their country.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Kali74

No universal set of rules for you huh?

I think anyone is allowed to speak their mind, including the president. The only one bringing up the legality of what he said was you, if I'm not mistaken.

I further elaborated did I not? I never said he wasn't entitled to speak his opinion on anything. I question why now, I question the ethics of his doing so regarding the 1st.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Kali74

And you couldn't post this in an existing thread on this topic why?

You added nothing of value to the discussion.

But you added incredible value to the discussion, right?

Reading all of that in under five minutes and responding, lol.

Your bias is showing (not like you're trying to hide it, anyway).

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Kali74

And you couldn't post this in an existing thread on this topic why?

You added nothing of value to the discussion.

Trump-BOYCOTT NFL teams whose players refuse to stand for the National Anthem - posted on Sep, 23 2017 @ 11:58 AM

Hitting ESPN Where It Hurts Most - posted on Sep, 23 2017 @ 08:07 PM

Gosh. I wonder why the author of the second thread didn't just post in the first?

I'm curious as to why Metallicus didn't make a comment (like he did in this thread) in the duplicate thread you posted?

Hmmmmmm.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
One of the biggest things I dont understand is that many of the people upset with the protests are saying...

"I just want football, I dont want my entertainment to be diluted with social causes and protests, its not what they get paid to do. Rich spoiled brats talking about inequality.. blah blah blah.."

However these same people dont seem to have an issue when the NFL steps outside the realm of "Football" and supports..

Breast Cancer Awareness Month where all the players wear something pink.
Natural disaster relief campaigns and fundraising
NFL PLAY 60 through the UNITED WAY an effort to tackle lack of physical activity in our youth
Human Trafficking
NFL donations to political campaigns


Nobody seems to be in an uproar of those things

However when the "cause" or the "protest" is police practice reformation.... *in Joker voice" "Everyone loses their minds"

politics are invisible when you agree with them, i guess... they don't seem to mind that entertainment has been force-feeding them political views since it was invented, pretty much.

You forgot the National Anthem.

That's political, too.

These people claim they "don't want politics in their entertainment."

What they really should be saying "I want MY and ONLY my preferred flavor of politics in my entertainment."

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Kali74

No universal set of rules for you huh?

I think anyone is allowed to speak their mind, including the president. The only one bringing up the legality of what he said was you, if I'm not mistaken.

Trump suggested consequences for Free Speech...

Do you agree with that?

I disagree with his opinions on the consequences, though I agree with the opinion regarding their disrespect and disregard for their country.

Always entertaining when foreigners say Americans exercising their Consitutional rights is a bad thing in America.... because that Constituion thing we have is bad, BAD news, folks.

Remember the oath that's taken? Yeah, me too. I also don't recall anything about songs, or pieces of cloth in it....

I do remember "both domestic and abroad," and we have fronts on both sides insisting that exercising Constituional rights should be be allowed (because it's offensive, lol).

originally posted by: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

What people like you seem to be saying is that they should live under a different set of rules.

Where do you see anyone saying that? No one needs a different set of rules but how can you tell the rules are being equally applied?

The left seemingly wants black men to not be arrested for their crimes. I see no other way of interpreting their position. Why os this even being framed as a racial issue considering way more whites are killed by cops? Have you ever heard of CopBlock? Look it up on youtube. Pages and pages worth of white people being denied rights and beaten up by cops.

Population density.

Whites make up 63ish% and blacks 13ish%.

I've had to explain this.... numerous times.... "deny ignorance," lol.

The left wants, what? What - are all of the NFL players who protested "left," now?

Lol. What an ignorant comment.

Politics has infested EVERYTHING. All the late night comedy shows, all the news programs, talk shows, sitcoms, cartoons and now sports.

They just keep hammering it into you. The lecture NEVER stops. They think they can break your will and force you into a false reality where Nazi's are hiding in the shadows on every street corner, cops just shoot everyone on sight, Trump is Hitler and Putin is running America. When you actually stop and think about it, it's probably the most ridiculous fantasy ever pushed on the American public.

The funny part is... it's just pushing more people the other way. These propaganda tactics don't work in the age of social media. But keep showing Joe Public just how much you hate this country.

I never imagined in my wildest dreams that the left would actually commit suicide to spite Trump.

Blind obedience to a flag is far more dangerous than misplaced dissent. In this case I'm not even sure it is misplaced. It took courage for Kaepernick to do what he did regardless of being right or wrong.

Isn't it rather strange that the NFL had a problem with players showing respect for 911 victims, fining them for wearing symbols on their cleats...
Seems to me that they are only concerned about protecting their players rights when they have the political message they authorise.

So - respect for 911 victims - NO
Disrespect the anthem - SURE