Trump NFL Anthem Free Speech Protest and Willful Ignorance

Trump should've kept his mouth shut but the NFL players need to take the protests off the field. Play the football games you signed up to do. Injustices or not. There is a time and place for everything.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

You sincerely don't think there's been a questionable use of lethal force by some police officers???

I clearly stated that I think there is, but that it's rare and certainly doesn't threaten black people like crime within their communities does. Something like 3,000 black people have been killed in Chicago since the start of the year. All killed by other black people. One is a big issue, the other an issue, but much smaller one that is being blown up to advance a left wing political agenda.

Some police shootings are justified

Not some, the vast majority.

but there's been way to many occasions where police officers have been too quick to use lethal force.

There have been a few rare instances that are blown up by the media and activists.

One only has to google some of these cases to realize there's a problem. That's exactly the injustice they're protesting!

What about all the injustice carried out by black Americans on other black Americans? It's a much, much, MUCH larger problem. Ah, but it doesn't serve the same political purpose......

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: crimsongod21
Here is the thing right or wrong these players have the ability to inspire and promote change. The people that argue against them using this platform either don't want change or want to remain blind to it.

I have seen a bunch of this across my news feed the last few days and honestly it's sad. I have seen comments such as " I watch football to get away from xyz..." Or "these rich ungrateful xyz's no respect, have it good why are they protesting" and so on and so forth ranging from comicly ignorant to racist garbage.

The reason these high profile players are protesting is for the people without a voice that cannot be heard. Its not that they are disrespecting America it's troops or even the law enforcement community as a whole, but that they are doing something that is all honesty is as American as baseball and Apple pie all out together, they are fighting g for the rights of a minority group that is being subjugated and treated as second class citizens.

While it is true we have came a long long way in the last 100 year's, it is also true that we still have a long way to go before we as Americans are all treated equally without regards to the color of our skin, the God we pray to or who's hole we want to poke.

Was this the best platform? Maybe maybe not but it has gotten people talking so it is working.

the moment they hitched their protest onto the national anthem was the moment this protest went wrong. many people were raised saluting the flag and reciting the national anthem from the day they entered school and some earlier. its a time where u put away any and all differences and stand as one to honor the sacrifices others have made so that liberty and freedom is afforded to every individual. so by holding the protest during the national anthem they instantly have offended a good many people who are not rascist, have never been rascist, and fight for equality and are constantly striving to improve this world. this is the key thing that most people miss and if they had avoided there would be little controversy over their protest and far more support from the vast majority of people.

^ exactly right.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: crimsongod21
Here is the thing right or wrong these players have the ability to inspire and promote change. The people that argue against them using this platform either don't want change or want to remain blind to it.

I have seen a bunch of this across my news feed the last few days and honestly it's sad. I have seen comments such as " I watch football to get away from xyz..." Or "these rich ungrateful xyz's no respect, have it good why are they protesting" and so on and so forth ranging from comicly ignorant to racist garbage.

The reason these high profile players are protesting is for the people without a voice that cannot be heard. Its not that they are disrespecting America it's troops or even the law enforcement community as a whole, but that they are doing something that is all honesty is as American as baseball and Apple pie all out together, they are fighting g for the rights of a minority group that is being subjugated and treated as second class citizens.

While it is true we have came a long long way in the last 100 year's, it is also true that we still have a long way to go before we as Americans are all treated equally without regards to the color of our skin, the God we pray to or who's hole we want to poke.

Was this the best platform? Maybe maybe not but it has gotten people talking so it is working.

the moment they hitched their protest onto the national anthem was the moment this protest went wrong. many people were raised saluting the flag and reciting the national anthem from the day they entered school and some earlier. its a time where u put away any and all differences and stand as one to honor the sacrifices others have made so that liberty and freedom is afforded to every individual. so by holding the protest during the national anthem they instantly have offended a good many people who are not rascist, have never been rascist, and fight for equality and are constantly striving to improve this world. this is the key thing that most people miss and if they had avoided there would be little controversy over their protest and far more support from the vast majority of people.

^ exactly right.

100% right on!

its like a battered wife who gets beat up ONCE by a friend whos a guy and reports HIM.


meanwhile she says nothing about the fact her husband beats her every day.

If I lived deep in meth valley or in the heart of the getto I would understand why cops are on high alert. I wouldn't be whining about it. If your a decent person. Get the hell out of there. There is cheaper living. Just have to have the ambition to look. So yes. If you live in those areas. Expect the cops to be paranoid. They too are dying right along side the criminals.

Protest as much as you want. Stop making a big deal out of # that they themselves are ignoring as well. The millions of hundred millions they make for a living rarely they bring back to their own community.

Treated unfairly my ass. I see thousands of people daily of all races and sizes. Eating and sitting at the same place. All treated equally while treating the very ground they walk on like crap. We all do it. Most don't whine about the little crap.

As for NK. Try it. I f#ing dare you. When the dust settles and we collect ourselves...we will leave NK a crater so large and poisonous that no one dare gaze upon it for fear of death. So yeah. That's why we average small town folks really don't give a #. If you however live in Seattle. I would move. Cities are the not places to be.

a reply to: ConscienceZombie

Do you actually understand real life, or are you spouting waffle for the fun of it?

Moving costs money, and poverty is a lack of the stuff. The mathematics are rather easy here:

Empty pockets = no chance of moving to another block, district, city or state.

Expecting those under threat from the poverty they are living in, to be able to cobble together the resources for a move, is like expecting someone with aggressive bone cancer, to earn the money to pay for their treatment, by entering no holds barred fighting tournaments. Its not going to happen, no matter how novel the approach to it is.

a reply to: TrueBrit

theres no will to go against the grain.

do you really think if a young black person was sick of the ghetto and petitioned a few charities to get them the hell out so they could pursue an education free from gang activity and other nonsense that no one would help?


have you ever been desperate? what did you do about it?

i have....and i did something.

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: notsure1

Kapernik originally started his protest by sitting he realized that it upset a lot of people so he stated that from now on he would kneel out of respect but would continue not singing until the anthem represented everyone equally.

So?? He is still protesting our flag/anthem/country..

Pick one. It's not all three, it's the National Anthem. Not the flag, not the country.

There is alot of ways to protest Kali you dont have to disrespect our flag anthem.

One of the most fundamental things that makes this country great is the first amendment and gives us the ability to voice our opinions without government interference. The fact the Trump opened his mouth about this demonstrates that he's actually far less patriotic towards the country, the flag or the constitution than any football player. But please... go ahead and make this about something it's not.

Its very dear to our hearts.

Who exactly are you speaking for with the qualifier of "our" prior to the word "hearts"? Because you don't speak for me and you sure as hell don't speak for the friends I lost as we come up on the 24th anniversary of our time in that East African S# hole. Beautiful beaches there but anarchy and warlords consolidating power while food donations are being stolen doesn't make for a particularly relaxed deployment. So please, speak for yourself and if you're feeling so patriotic, I know a few good recruiters who would love to stop by and chat with you. Otherwise, if you actually respect the flag and the constitution, get a clue. The right to peaceful protest is one of the cornerstones of what once made this a great country.

a reply to: tribal

I have been desperate. What did I do? I lived on the street while holding down a job, and nursing a case of PTSD from events which occurred during my school days.

I have worked my rear end off, solidly, for the overwhelming majority of my adulthood, and have nothing to show for it other than a business which literally runs on vapour, and no prospects for improvement.

Whats your point?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
...and nursing a case of PTSD from events which occurred during my school days.

Did you have to wear one of those Angus Young-style school outfits? That would have messed me up too.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No... Thankfully, the uniform was... tolerable. Black blazer, black trousers, white shirt, maroon pullover under the blazer, maroon and white emblem on the blazer, and a maroon and white striped tie.

Worse things have been foisted on a school child than that uniform.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
Worse things have been foisted on a school child than that uniform.

Talk to Angus, he still smashes musical instruments due to that trauma.

a reply to: Kali74


"Why are they protesting? Stop asking if you're not going to accept the answer. You don't have to agree with the answer to accept it (even if there's plenty of supporting evidence), anyway.."

Cocky aren't we?......

Also, as much as I hate defending the idiot, he never demanded they be fired. He said they should be fired. It's not the same. He said how he felt. He did not say it will be done because he said so.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Aye, but he gets paid well to do it.

Besides, if he does not smash them, who will?

a reply to: TrueBrit


Good points. I'll bend the knee in your honor.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: ConscienceZombie

Do you actually understand real life, or are you spouting waffle for the fun of it?

Moving costs money, and poverty is a lack of the stuff. The mathematics are rather easy here:

Empty pockets = no chance of moving to another block, district, city or state.

Expecting those under threat from the poverty they are living in, to be able to cobble together the resources for a move, is like expecting someone with aggressive bone cancer, to earn the money to pay for their treatment, by entering no holds barred fighting tournaments. Its not going to happen, no matter how novel the approach to it is.

All of what you said was unimportant materialistic way of life that has got us into this # in the first place. It costs absolutely nothing to walk from that crap with the cloths on your back. I do see real life. I don't expect change to just happen. 'Give our hopes that the taxes we pay goes towards a better tomorrow.' That's a fairy tale. If you want it you have to work on it.

I do feel for those few in those hell holes with good souls. But it's hell.

a reply to: ConscienceZombie

What?

Ok...

Explain to me then, how a family from a run down part of a city, who have not even enough money to nourish themselves, pay rent, and get kids to and from school, or parents to and from work, are supposed to physically lay hands on enough cash to simply leave town, without putting themselves in inescapable levels of debt?

Explain it. Go ahead.

If you are being honest, you will either admit that you can't, which is why it DOES NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY, or you will merely remain silent. I don't mind which, but please do not try to play this off as something that is sooo simple and sooo obvious.

People get out of those places by one route, and its not hard work, because any body who can walk, talk and fart without messing themselves can work hard, but fewer than few have something to show for it worth a damn.

No. People get out to something better by LUCK! Thats the PRIME ingredient. You have to be win the lottery, marry the supermodel, be born with the "I can eat anything and gain no weight" gene and THEN work your arse off, to get out of a situation like that, which is why its so damned rare.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Metallicus

The day I give a fk about the opinion of a wanna be human that supports the murder of Heather Heyer... I'll let you know.

That's part of the trouble, people can't believe that bad things can happen to them...and when you get a 'President' that endorses censorship on that subject, your'e on a rocky road to another place altogether.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: ConscienceZombie

What?

Ok...

Explain to me then, how a family from a run down part of a city, who have not even enough money to nourish themselves, pay rent, and get kids to and from school, or parents to and from work, are supposed to physically lay hands on enough cash to simply leave town, without putting themselves in inescapable levels of debt?

Explain it. Go ahead.

If you are being honest, you will either admit that you can't, which is why it DOES NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY, or you will merely remain silent. I don't mind which, but please do not try to play this off as something that is sooo simple and sooo obvious.

People get out of those places by one route, and its not hard work, because any body who can walk, talk and fart without messing themselves can work hard, but fewer than few have something to show for it worth a damn.

No. People get out to something better by LUCK! Thats the PRIME ingredient. You have to be win the lottery, marry the supermodel, be born with the "I can eat anything and gain no weight" gene and THEN work your arse off, to get out of a situation like that, which is why its so damned rare.

I'm a janitor. I live deep in meth valley. You people in this day of age expect hand outs when there isn't any. I make 12k a year. If that. At the end of the day i have no money for frivolous things. Nor have a care to aquire such garbage. Let me tell you Mr. Suburb. Those people are consumed by drugs. That what makes crime so high. Business competition. Crypts, Bloods. I have back yard redneck making battery acid. I don't whine. I fight. Two labs down a couple more to go...oh yeah. I'm not liked around me. I'm getting rid of their drug. That's how I deal with it. I still salute my flag and hold my heart for the anthem. I don't do it for myself. I do it for those that fight and pay the price for the rest of us to live peacefully as possible.

Lottery....Jesus...you should be ashamed of yourself. We all should be of ourselves. Only then will we better ourselves.

So that's how I deal with it. How do you? Sorry. I read deeper into your posts. You whine. How is that helping your situation? Not at all, I assume. Yes I make an ass of myself.