President Trump is Hastening ObamaCare Demise - Wants a Better HealthCare System ASAP.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You won't get any argument from me that the ACA has accelerated costs.

The whole point of single payer is that insurance companies are removed from the equation. But With the ACA they just gave them a blank check to tax payers dollars.

With your personal insurance plan, you might work at a good company that had great insurance. I doubt that held true as the average..

I remember 125 a week as a single male in 2004. At red lobster.. just for a comparison to what people with crap insurance were paying then.

But all that is irrelevant because health insurance is a predatory practice to begins with.


Even if you had the same insurance company your whole life. You would never pay as much in premiums as they will pay for end of life care.

Never...


It is a losing proposition reguardless. Where they make their profits is in denial of service and people who pay but never use it..

Well it's health care EVERYONE will need it.


I think we should make public funds for all insurance. Auto , health, disaster.. all of it.

Remove profit from the equation in the sectors too important to fail.

Use public funds to handle healthcare , cops, fire , highway , welfare and military. Then do everything that can fail free market.

It's the best of both worlds.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Yes its not even part of the conversation......the unreal costs and crummy plans that came out after OBC. Hardly hear anyone talk about it which says it all really. Not the press, not Ryan, not anyone much. I did see a lady on a sunday chit chat on digital tv how ohio will have another 34% increase next year.

a reply to: Logarock

What's crazy is that the leaders of my State Illinois, are happy that the rates are only going up 35% next year. This year they went up 57%.

What they don't tell people is that 60% of the doctors in the state no longer accept Obamacare patients.

Talk about living in an alternate universe!

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: staticfl

Do you think repealing it would lead to the insurance companies returning the services for your children?!?!

Prices I haven't even seen any elected republicans claim repealing obamacare would lower prices.. just the mythical deficit based on little pieces of paper based on nothing .

It was the mandate that bothered me the most.

But I guess we'll be stuck with that as well.

a reply to: DBCowboy

It was the mandate that bothered me the most.

I was against the mandate, as well, from the start.

It should be gotten rid of. Then again, maybe if the government "mandates" you get health insurance, then they should provide it.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You need a mandate to make anything like that work..

Who would pay taxes without a mandate???

What we need is to cut all the fat and make it affordable..

Remove all the insurance companies and prices instantly drop whatever their profits are.

The pharm companies are now forced to negotiate with the government. So no more gouging desperate people.

Then we gotta rework the system so all the meaningless tests stop..

That prob cuts prices in half day one.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DBCowboy

You need a mandate to make anything like that work..

Even with the mandate, it isn't working too well.

In order to make something like this to work, you need to go full-on socialist.

Which is where we're heading anyway.

*shrugs*

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: staticfl

Do you think repealing it would lead to the insurance companies returning the services for your children?!?!

Prices I haven't even seen any elected republicans claim repealing obamacare would lower prices.. just the mythical deficit based on little pieces of paper based on nothing .

It was the mandate that bothered me the most.

But I guess we'll be stuck with that as well.

Up until January of this year (and maybe to this day), there was no reason to pay the penalty for not having approved ObamaCare health insurance. The ObamaCare/Healthcare.gov sub-system for you to a database of 200,000,0000 plus people's health insurance coverage, from private and government entities, was no where near completion and activation.

You check the "Full Year Coverage" box (Line 61) on IRS Form 1040...and you're done.

In addition, due to President Trump's first executive order of his Presidency, you can now leave that box empty/blank if you want to.

Source: tax.thomsonreuters.com

a reply to: DBCowboy

Because the insurance companies are included and gotta make their 30+ plus growth for this years investors.

Trump would be happy if there was no healthcare plan in America and the poor were left to die on the street. It would save taxpayer dollars.

a reply to: darkbake

Meanwhile Obama doesn't care if those of us who had affordable insurance already can afford it or not.

And no one else who can make it to the national stage for the presidential election cares about us either. As has been demonstrated time and time again.

So what do you do?

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DBCowboy

Because the insurance companies are included and gotta make their 30+ plus growth for this years investors.

The stupid Obama administration put a rule on health insurance companies where the largest profit they can make it 20%. So they raise prices 80 % in 2013, to make that 20% profit keep the same number of dollars coming in.

So.... you actually think people are at risk of dying if their insurance plans are cancelled?

Because Obama cancelled and voided tens of millions of insurance plans when he implemented the piece of garbage called ACA.

a reply to: jjkenobi

Insurance plans that only pretended to cover you....

originally posted by: jjkenobi
So.... you actually think people are at risk of dying if their insurance plans are cancelled?

Because Obama cancelled and voided tens of millions of insurance plans when he implemented the piece of garbage called ACA.

That were garbage plans that didn't offer even the basic coverage.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DBCowboy

Because the insurance companies are included and gotta make their 30+ plus growth for this years investors.

The stupid Obama administration put a rule on health insurance companies where the largest profit they can make it 20%. So they raise prices 80 % in 2013, to make that 20% profit keep the same number of dollars coming in.

Source?

a reply to: carewemust

Why do you think insurance companies are dropping out???

I've had obama care since the beginning. Every year I have gotten a refund due to the 80/20 rule.

So obviously Humana made its 20%..

(Which is way too much for someone not preforming a medical function,but anyway ..)

Yet they just pulled outa MS.....

The 20% is likely not enough to keep this years investors happy..

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DBCowboy

Because the insurance companies are included and gotta make their 30+ plus growth for this years investors.

The stupid Obama administration put a rule on health insurance companies where the largest profit they can make it 20%. So they raise prices 80 % in 2013, to make that 20% profit keep the same number of dollars coming in.

Source?

Here ya go. Individual/Family insurance plans are limited to 20% profit. Group health insurance plans are limited to 15% profit. It's called the "Medical Loss Ratio". (MLR)

Medical Loss Ratio explained: www.kff.org...

If a company needs $1 Billion in profit, it will raise prices enough to ensure that the stupid 20% profit ceiling dictated by the government, still bring in that $1 Billion. (Easy to do when human health is the commodity.)

a reply to: JoshuaCox


Here's a list of the profit margins of various industries. 20% is not out of line.
www.businessinsider.com...

September 27, 2017

The hastening of ObamaCare's demise continues. Health and Human Services (the agency in charge of ObamaCare) will NOT be helping to kick-off this year's ObamaCare open enrollment season, which begins on November 1, 2017.

The Trump administration has told the federal health agency's 10 regional directors not to participate in events promoting open enrollment in Obamacare insurance plans nationwide, a new report revealed Wednesday.

Source: www.cnbc.com...