Will North Korea become another Stalingrad?

Will North Korea become another Stalingrad?

Look while I understand North Korea is a big threat, we should analyze what would happen if we do occupy North Korea:

It will not be easy. Many North Koreans are indoctrinated from birth to believe that US are savages that will defile their so called purity. If US troops are to set foot, they will not welcome us with open arms.

Here's what happens after we destroy the Kim Regime:

The North Korean leadership (With Fat Boy or not) will declare their own "Great Patriotic War."


There will be insurgencies

How long would it be before bands of armed fighters from Kim’s shattered army began taking charge, like Afghan warlords, in remote regions of the country? How long before they began targeting American occupation forces?

www.theatlantic.com...

Also suicide bombings.

It's just horrible to imagine what they would do in a war. Every North Korean will be a suicide bomber with a bomb belt. There is not a person there who wouldn't be ready to die for the system that has enslaved them. They have nothing apart from this, it's the only meaning of their existence.

www.bloomberg.com...

And since most North Koreans see Americans as savages, that means children will also join the fight.

It's pretty safe to say that there will be no mercy from North Koreans. Any American soldier caught will be summary executed. In turn many North Koreans will be executed.

In a battle with North Korean forces, I can imagine the sheer brutality that they will inflict upon US forces.

Don't forget who helped created North Korea aside from Fat Boy's grandfather.

From this, I assume that North Korea will be another Stalingrad.

My question is Trump and the US willing to handle Stalingrad levels of brutality? Remember the US is not Nazi Germany. Trump and Co. will be forced to resign once people become shocked by the sheer brutality.

There is a reason why Stalingrad is considered the bloodiest battle in human history.

the smart thing to do is let china handle things on the ground.


they don't want American troops at their border and America doesn't need another Afghanistan, so that could be a possible deal.

a reply to: njord

Sadly I don't see that happening. The Military Industrial Complex wants to occupy North Korea.

Think of the strategic advantage should the US occupy North Korea.

I know China hates Kim, but if these warlords declare allegiance to China, China is gonna give covert support in the form of Korean speaking operatives, food, and military supplies.

And a Stalingrad style battle in North Korea will benefit China because it will weaken the US military.

It will not be easy. Many North Koreans are indoctrinated from birth

That would be more Stockholm, with a little China Syndrome mixed in... Not Stalingrad !!!

a reply to: AttitudeProblem

Well the sheer brutality will be like Stalingrad.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

The world would not stand for a US occupying force, and the US knows this. Neither China, nor Russia would put up with the U.S. directly at their borders. There would be a quick changeover to either Chinese interm management and rebuilding, or a neutral (yet obviously Western leaning) Korean puppet state installed.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Not going to happen any more than we would let China occupy Mexico.

a reply to: watchitburn

Whatever the case, the South Koreans will have to accept the fact that there will never be any Korean reunification.

I get it's official US policy but due to circumstances, at some point they will have to drop that goal all together.

Not in the age of super weapons. Trump and Mattis already hinted that if war does break out with NK, we will be using stuff the public has never officially seen before.

If it goes down, the only way to prevent NK from destroying the peninsula in a kamikaze attack is to eliminate the entire upper command structure in the first 5 minutes. The northern DMZ, with 200k+ artillery pieces aimed at Seoul, would have to be peppered with tactical nukes and kinetic weapons to take out the vast bunker system along the border. They may have to use chemical or radiological weapons to prevent the millions of brainwashed conscripts from flooding into the south. It really would be like nothing the world has ever seen before.

a reply to: Konduit

And in the process the whole world condemns the US and turns this country into a pariah nation.

It will also end US military foreign interventions forever.

Even the Waffen S S crumbled once they knew for sure that Hitler was dead. So dropping a mountain on Kim's head, and disappearing him, ain't going to disintegrate his regime! S S from the French sub pens had to hear this from buddies from Berlin, before they fell apart, at Nuremberg. But then it was, "Hitler who"? Just like Nazis, Norks let Berlin make all decisions. This is the endgame for a personality cult Regime!

a reply to: starwarsisreal

no - why stalingrad ?????????????

it has ZERO similarity

if you said afghanistan or iraq - i would not object

but stalingrad ??????????????????????

WTF ????????????????????

a reply to: starwarsisreal
Question. Just why would the US military want to occupy NK? You do know why they are in Stan and it ain't to be nearer Russia. So they don't want NK for it's position and there are no great natural resources in the country.
It's called "sabre rattling" and as long as Lil Kim keeps rabbiting nothing will happen. And I mean nothing.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

why is NK a big threat?

originally posted by: crayzeed
there are no great natural resources in the country

Wrong, North Korea has some of the world's largest hoards of valuable minerals underground. Trillions of dollars worth. Trillions.

Uhm actually the US would deploy far less ground troops to fight in a second Korean War as anyone seems to think.
At this point in time, the Rebublic of Korea Army is an extremely capable force, superior in both quantity (ie working equipment) and quality to the North.
If they are able to mobilize before an erruption of general hostilites they are more than able to handle the North Koran threat on the ground.

What they cant do alone (and wont be able to for at least two decades) is taking out the Northern assets before they can inflict too much damage to the civilian infrastructure. They need the US to attack North Koreas Command and Control infrastructure, detect and destroy missile launchers further inland and achieve total aerial supremacy in the theater in a matter of hours rather than days.

Artillery isnt the problem here, the their SRBMs are. The South Korean Army will actually be able to neutralize the Northern artillery on the DMZ pretty quickly. They have an insanely huge, well equipped artillery force of their own, which is even superior tot he US Armys Field Artillery Force.
They’ll dominate the field within hours and the damage inflicted by the North Koreans Artillery on the towns and villages south of the DMZ will be comparatively small.

Seoul will actually not suffer a sustained artillery barrage. The thought of North Korea being able to devastate Seoul with artillery strike is just bs. The distance between the northern parts of Seoul (not even downtown) and the North Korean side of the DMZ is more than 25 miles. The vast majority oft the northern artillery just wont shoot that far. They have a couple of big guns, but they are though to hide and will be destroy by airstrikes or counter battery fire within minutes in the event of general hostilities.

What will hurt is ballistic missile strikes. The South is still playing catch up in the ABM department.
Given these realities the Northern quest for a nuclear capability is not surprising. And it also illustrates why the North Korean bomb is a huge problem. If you think a Korean War would be devastating today, imagine what the detonation of a couple of hydrogen bombs inside the DMZ would look like.

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: crayzeed
there are no great natural resources in the country

Wrong, North Korea has some of the world's largest hoards of valuable minerals underground. Trillions of dollars worth. Trillions.

that's why the US wants to go and 'free' them...

and Kim feeds anyone who can do more pull-ups than him to lions... in a stadium style arena while he's fed fresh raw meat from every species on the endangered list..

No occupy, just nuke it and then put a big hazard fence around it. Maybe turn it into the world's landfill for nuclear waste afterwards.

a reply to: crayzeed

There are anywhere from 6 to 10 trillion dollars worth of minerals and rare earths under those mountains.

Which is why I've never understood why South Korea, and the North for that matter, haven't pushed for reunification harder.

Those resources, along with the South's tech, turns Korea into a powerhouse in Asia.

a reply to: seagull


Because China doesn't want a unified NK , and the North Koreans look at SK as traitors