Making America Great Again

a reply to: Tempter

80%+ German) and there is a Mexican bakery and the produce section is covered with migrant families who are speaking another language, you can bet your ASS I'm upset

1. Its likely that German food is not as popular as Mexican food.
2. You get upset easily.

I would be more opposite with Trump wasting billions to build a wall that is not necessary what so ever in keeping the majority of illegals out , hiring the worst lobbyist wh0re possible to run the FCC, and not even mentioning his campaign promise to implement congress term limits.

Although I didn't vote for Trump I'm still glad that Hillary wasn't elected.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
But America is already great.
Great at war mongering
Great at spending on military equipment
Great at jailing people for victimless crimes
Great at waging war against its own people
Great at militarizing its police

Man, if we only had a two party system so it could undo the damage of the other party when in control.

We already do and none of those things have been repealed, ended or curtailed. The current administration is actually trying to strengthen all of them.

That was my point. The two parties are on the same lobbyist team

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I think America was great in the post war years , the 50's , 60's and early 70's America was a place of great culture , science , movies and music , they inspired the world with their reach for the Moon and entertained the world through Hollywood and the invention of Rock & Roll.
Personally I think that should be the baseline although I doubt that greatness can be recaptured.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Let me answer your question with a question: Why does it have to be a timeframe referenced? Why can't it just be about the spirit of America, or the availability of pursuing the "American Dream," or the mentality that America is unique and that it's okay to celebrate it?

Basically, why can't 'making America great again' be more about how Americans see themselves and their country versus reverting back to this or that era?

I think that this is more what Trump means by that slogan. We need to return to some sort of semblance of unity as a nation and celebration of our differences (metaphorically speaking) instead of where we're at now, where every difference is either a political exploitation or a cause/trigger for anger and hatred.

It seems that the only thing that Americans all agree on anymore is helping people during natural disasters...but those are over, for the most part, so back to things that don't truly matter, I suppose, yet cause anger and division...

Maybe that's what it means--a return to a generalized optimism versus the permeating pessimism that exists now (and is reflected in part of my own comment). Disappointingly, I don't think that is something that a president can truly inspire, but must be something discovered within one's self.

(and if it can be inspired by a president, Trump certainly doesn't have the leadership style to do it...although, in the end, I think that many of his actions could, if Congress will allow him to act on anything)

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
MAGA has been the war cry. It needs a footnote, though...what's the baseline? When exactly was that?
Maybe it's just me, but I really couldn't tell you what particular era is being referenced. A little help here? And be nice!

I don't know about a time period, the world is better right now than it was in past decades, so saying we need to go back to an earlier time is in effect saying we need to go back to a worse time.

There's plenty of things I see that need improvement though. To use another posters example of grocery stores. Where I live, we have a payday loan vendor built into the grocery store, because that's what people have to do in order to buy groceries. I would live to live in a country where people are prosperous enough that such a thing isn't even heard of, much less seen.

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: Tempter


we have Hispanic food in our grocery stores now - the horror!

didn't you whine about "liberal" bike paths in your town once, too. good lord...

If you want to pick out and target only one of my comments go ahead. But when I walk into a grocery store in mother flipping Wisconsin (80%+ German) and there is a Mexican bakery and the produce section is covered with migrant families who are speaking another language, you can bet your ASS I'm upset. They redesigned our local grocer to accommodate two new sections, a Mexican bakery and the new central America produce section. What's funny is since Trump this supermarket has changed and I can actually walk in and hear English language being spoken. That's making America great again!

Again, that's just one point I had.

Sounds like you just described a market niche that a retailer could make money off of. Though I guess people who speak different languages aren't allowed to shop near you. Nice to see the government shutting down business opportunities right?

The 1950s, 60s, etc. were great if you were a White straight man with money.

Otherwise ... /shrug

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
But America is already great.
Great at war mongering
Great at spending on military equipment
Great at jailing people for victimless crimes
Great at waging war against its own people
Great at militarizing its police

Man, if we only had a two party system so it could undo the damage of the other party when in control.

We already do and none of those things have been repealed, ended or curtailed. The current administration is actually trying to strengthen all of them.

That was my point. The two parties are on the same lobbyist team

Eh... I really don't believe this. My theory is that things are far more complicated and the different views and sides all combine to create a cluster# that just makes it look like all the politicians are sided against the public.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's grown to be a statement of mere apologetics. "Both sides are the same" is only used to justify what some group is doing, by-and-large.

To Trump it's an economic question. To someone like yourself I wager it's a question of social justice?

The economic and military expansion at the turn of the 20th century and after WW2, is when Trump believes America had the right balance.

originally posted by: Aazadan
I don't know about a time period, the world is better right now than it was in past decades, so saying we need to go back to an earlier time is in effect saying we need to go back to a worse time.

I think that this is one of the problems, though--the slogan is about America, but you're talking about the world. I think that globalism concept/reality of the modern would is part of what is distracting from the focus on America, itself, by those in power whose job it is to do so (mostly).

America has taken a back seat to the rest of the world, and in times of prosperity, that's an okay thing--but when a country is $20,000,000,000,000 in debt, we cannot afford to be concerned about the world because our own house is not in order.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I think it is derivative and paints a false picture to people who aren't as up-to-speed with politics. Constantly repeating that phrase, even if you don't readily believe it, fuels into today's situation with government being so ineffectual. No one wants to trust them because we are all fed up, but in order for things to be fixed, you have to start with trust somewhere.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
MAGA has been the war cry. It needs a footnote, though...what's the baseline? When exactly was that?
Maybe it's just me, but I really couldn't tell you what particular era is being referenced. A little help here? And be nice!

You're Canadian so you wouldn't know anything about being great.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Gryphon66

I think it is derivative and paints a false picture to people who aren't as up-to-speed with politics. Constantly repeating that phrase, even if you don't readily believe it, fuels into today's situation with government being so ineffectual. No one wants to trust them because we are all fed up, but in order for things to be fixed, you have to start with trust somewhere.

Indeed.

We also have to start with trying to understand the motivations of different groups of people. For example, to claim that BLM and "ANTIFA" are the same is to miss 99.99% of what motivates each group.

The same could be said of comparing say the NRA to the KKK.

Reality is simply more complicated than the simplistic, jingoistic, BS-sistic garbage we see today.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah and trying to point that out to people seems to be an exercise in futility...

Congrats on the 100 millionth anti-Trump thread on ATS. Have a cookie.

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
MAGA has been the war cry. It needs a footnote, though...what's the baseline? When exactly was that?
Maybe it's just me, but I really couldn't tell you what particular era is being referenced. A little help here? And be nice!

You're Canadian so you wouldn't know anything about being great.

I almost spat out my coffee. In Canada, the manly "Diversity is our strength" is the rallying cry.

It refers to the time before Socialist policies infected the nation so that it festered for decades until it came to a head like a big giant puss pocket that burst forth spewing its poison everywhere when Obama took the helm.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Congrats on the 100 millionth anti-Trump thread on ATS. Have a cookie.

Still a ways to go from the anti-clinton thread count though.

LOL @ Socialist Policies

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