Star Trek: Discovery

Just seen the trailer for Star Trek: Discovery on Netflix. I like the look of it from the little bits you get to see. Episodes are starting in the UK on the 25th of September (only 5 days to wait!).Only gripe is the Klingons look a bit wrong lol.

Here's the official trailer



I don't know about everyone else, but I'm looking forward to it.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Here's one that works in other countries

a reply to: TerryDon79

Its not just that they look wrong TerryDon79...

The people writing this iteration of the Star Trek franchise, have root and branch screwed with the Klingon Empire, from its political structure, to its biology, and inserted into their paradigm, a caste like system and structure, with different genetic markers being present in different subsections of the society, evidenced by morphological differences coming through to reflect those differences. In short, they have totally and completely buggered up one of, if not the most iconic alien species, ever to grace the world of fiction, whether televisual, cinematic, or printed.

The changes made will, of course, go over the heads of newer viewers, people who either disliked or simply have not seen the series which really bought the Klingons into the limelight in the first place (TNG, DS9). But they will also alienate "true" fans of the franchise completely, by turning the concept of one of the most beloved species of fictional aliens in the history of sci-fi, totally on its head.

I will watch this new stuff assuming I get the chance, but I am very, very wary indeed, and I do not like what I have heard about it thus far.

a reply to: whywhynot

Thanks. I'm guessing it's restricted to the UK or Europe?

If you skip to the 1:10 mark in your vid, that's where our (UK) trailer starts

a reply to: TrueBrit

Everything evolves though. Look at the difference between the Klingons in Star Trek (William Shatner) and Star Trek Enterprise. Enterprise was supposed to be pre Shatner, yet the Klingons look more TNG. So I'm not griping too hard about the way they look. Yet.

I haven't really seen much apart from the occasional heresay and the trailer. I'll definitely be watching it. I just hope it's not too screwed up compared to previous stories around the Klingons.

a reply to: TrueBrit

a reply to: TerryDon79

As I said, its not the look I object to. Its the total root and branch buggering about with back story, genetic and political structure.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Indeed, there is a great deal of difference between the Klingon of the Original Series, and The Next Generation era. However, that difference has a great deal more to do with the fact that the make up effects department for TNG was actually capable of doing more than painting people funny colours, and giving them elf ears.

This however, does not nearly explain a thing about the reason it was deemed either necessary or desirable to make changes to the base state of the Klingon race for THIS new series. It seems like something one would only seek to do, if one was utterly unwilling to engage with the canon of the existing storylines, which ought to be a one way ticket to the trash heap, for anyone looking to work on a Star Trek franchise in any serious manner.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Maybe, now hear me out, with all the going back in time and messing with things that's been done (from series episodes to films), it somehow changed the Klingon history too?

Just an out there idea

a reply to: TerryDon79

Maybe, woooo!

But I really do not care, because Klingons MUST remain Klingons, for all time, and never be buggered about with. Hell, I am not even pissed that they did not return to the old standard of having the main space craft followed by the viewer, be called Enterprise. But you CAN'T mess with the Klingons, because as they are in TNG and DS9, they are utterly and totally perfect in every way. Lunatic, cunning, violent, honourable, and without the slightest little mistake. Everything about their portrayal as a species in those series, was fully realised, fleshed out, beautifully rendered, despite the pieces it happened in.

What they have done to them from the seems of things, is rather like pissing in a bottle of good booze that has been maturing for forty years.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Oh, I get it. I really do. The previous series have given the Klingons a concise history of who and what they are. It would be like making Kirk a Betazoid and Spock a Ferengi.

Maybe there's an answer in one of the episodes? If it's because of timey winey stuff, I'm going to apply for a writers job with them lol.

I'm old as dirt and an original 'Trekkie'!
I even had a cat named Telshia, called her Shia for short! I always say, if you have to look that up, you're not a real fan!

I'm remaining hopefully optimistic, while realizing at the same time, that few things can measure up to the originals!

All the original writers, producers, etc. are probably long gone. Heck, many of these may be third generation since by now! They grew up in a whole different world & don't have the emotional ties to the original like we do!

It probably would have been better if they weren't Klingons, but a whole, new, separate race, that they could 'flesh out' as they wanted.
Who knows what they were thinking?

But I'll take anything that I can get at this point in my life! Everything seems to disappoint me at this stage, so meh, it is what it is!
The young whipper snappers still have a lot to learn! They don't even appreciate antiques, inanimate or people!

Sadly, only half joking!
WOQ

I'm sure the usual political grandstanding and propaganda divisions will override any actual entertainment this show may have had.

I don't even know if I'll catch the first few episodes, I'd rather just watch TNG over again(for the umpteenth time).

It's getting bad out there kids. I actually saw someone choreograph a dance to a spoken word poem the other day on TV. I threw out cable years ago, now I might throw the antennae away too and just watch my old dvd's/blurays.

Originally Klingons were a mix of dark skinned, barbaric, warlike, guttural, commies.

Cold war hollywood 'enemies'...

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Looking at the trailer, this seems to be taking place in JJ Abraham's alternate universe, with mostly pew pews... instead of a real story telling behind it all like we were used to have.

More wows and less thinking is today's way of making movies/tv shows.

I'm sure if they were to remake Marie Poppins, she'd be a covert killer for an otherworldly intelligence, and she would spend half the time fighting and eliminating people who would want to use children she babysits as fuel for a weapon, or something along that line...

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Indeed, there is a great deal of difference between the Klingon of the Original Series, and The Next Generation era. However, that difference has a great deal more to do with the fact that the make up effects department for TNG was actually capable of doing more than painting people funny colours, and giving them elf ears.

This however, does not nearly explain a thing about the reason it was deemed either necessary or desirable to make changes to the base state of the Klingon race for THIS new series. It seems like something one would only seek to do, if one was utterly unwilling to engage with the canon of the existing storylines, which ought to be a one way ticket to the trash heap, for anyone looking to work on a Star Trek franchise in any serious manner.

I was there when sci-fi was the porn of literature. Then it went heavily into sex and drugs and I let go. In recent years I indulged in ...The Next Generation and have mention on ATS how crammed the PC bible--surely there is one--down our throat in each and every story. 'Admirable that somebody wanted to fix the human race so badly that a common TV series would be given over to being nice episode after episode. Such are the winds of change which are true and expected. I don't say the shows are wrong, but they are made to appear to a crowd that much needs to be ushered into another era. To some of us they are trite because the invariable outcome is always along the same line.

My point is if the Klingon race has been given a massive restructuring, there is a good PC reason. Off the top of my head I
I would say that the days of the warrior are numbered for Klingons and our favorite one will be undergoing a very drastic and change of his deeply held warrior ideals. And his re-think is to be assimilated into the human herd. I'm concerned about the supposed change in the new Klingon culture that recognizes what traits as superior and soughtful (and which we are supposed so the string pullers would have, emulate.

Why am I kinda MEH?

I love(d) StarTrek but it was about the FUTURE! Since Enterprise it's been about re-imagining the future past...not progress but shiny...

a reply to: TrueBrit

Still these klingon's will just be absorbed into the lore of the star trek universe, I suppose there is room given the story alterations over the years such as the human-klingon hybrid's were they used the genetic samples from the engineered human's to try to create there own super soldiers after being humiliated by them.

If this is set before that then these are an earlier iteration of the Klingon's, less human in nature and more pure klingon.

It will definitely upset a lot of pure star trek fan's though, but they will undoubtedly also be avid subscribers to the show.

TOS klingon's were normal human's with bushy eyebrow's and some nakup to make there skin a bit orange and this was explained in the newer series ENTERPRISE as being AFTER they stole and infected themselves with human genetic material trying to make super soldiers, by the movies however they had started to cure themselves and by TNG they were almost pure klingon again which is the period in the franchise were someone said "AH I know let's stick a Cornish pasty on there head".
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Ridges of a warrior stuffed with meat and vegetables at one end and a sweet filling the other.

So it look's like they have gone the Cornish pasty route but added more angles to there characters to try to make them look more alien, not lore friendly but they are making it as they go, writers often want to do something different and the same for designers that is all that is really going on here, hope they do not totally trash the klingon's though I actually like them the way they are - to a degree.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: TerryDon79

Maybe, woooo!

But I really do not care, because Klingons MUST remain Klingons, for all time, and never be buggered about with. Hell, I am not even pissed that they did not return to the old standard of having the main space craft followed by the viewer, be called Enterprise. But you CAN'T mess with the Klingons, because as they are in TNG and DS9, they are utterly and totally perfect in every way. Lunatic, cunning, violent, honourable, and without the slightest little mistake. Everything about their portrayal as a species in those series, was fully realised, fleshed out, beautifully rendered, despite the pieces it happened in.

What they have done to them from the seems of things, is rather like pissing in a bottle of good booze that has been maturing for forty years.

Damn straight, Brit!

If I could give the STD producers just one comment I would have to say:

DON'T FRAK WITH THE KLINGONS!

As a fan that loved DS9 the most, Klingon history is EXTREMELY fleshed out, and at least in my opinion, no other species, even Vulcans, has had as much impact on Federation history.

The Federation was carved out of Human and Klingon blood. Do NOT frack with a good thing!!

Klingons are the perfect representation of the dark side of human nature.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: TrueBrit

This right here is why they got to mess with the Klingons looks.

It is already in the story.