So the FBI was wiretapping people connected to Trump

a reply to: Grambler

I guess I missed the list of unmasked names. Can you bring me up to speed?

I know what's his name, Nunes, said that he was upset about the unmasking but that didn't seem to go anywhere. Never did hear exactly what names were unmasked.

a reply to: EchoesInTime

That hag will never be president, she can scream anything she wants is not way in hell that she will be president ever.

Everything you see been leaked and all the hoopla going on is in an effort to change next elections.

Sadly the opposing party is wasting their efforts following a witch hunt and has forgotten about their supporters.

Mueller is a flop and his investigation a scam.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Dudemo5
Well, this kind of thing will tend to happen when all your campaign cohorts are playing hide the salami with Russian operatives.

Well of course this is the response I expected.

At first it was how dare Trump makes claims Obama would have had this type of surveillance, and now it is well of course there was this surveillance but it was warranted.

Absolutely the deranged Leftists will come out with nonsense responses like that.
They can never formulate a coherent response to anything involving Trump....just constant double talk.
Remember when they hated Comey for announcing Hillary's alleged non gross negligence?
But when Trump fired him, they loved him.
If Obummer wiretapped Manafort, he wiretapped Trump.....it doesn't matter one freaking bit who was targeted.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

I guess I missed the list of unmasked names. Can you bring me up to speed?

I know what's his name, Nunes, said that he was upset about the unmasking but that didn't seem to go anywhere. Never did hear exactly what names were unmasked.

well the big on named was Flynn, which led to Trump having to let him go.

Exactly what names were all unmasked and circulated isn't known, but the leaks of Trumps team and their conversations most likely came from this unmasking.

News media reports on contacts between Russia and Trump associates, including in The Washington Post, have included names said to have appeared in intelligence reports — either persons named in conversations between foreigners, or conversations directly between foreigners and U.S. persons.

Most prominent among them is former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, whose ­December phone conversations with Russia’s ambassador in Washington included references to U.S. sanctions imposed under President Barack Obama. After a Post report on the conversations, Trump ousted Flynn for mischaracterizing them to Vice President Pence.

www.washingtonpost.com... 1978-11e7-855e-4824bbb5d748_story.html?utm_term=.ddb4668827a2

a reply to: RazorV66

Remember when they hated Comey for announcing Hillary's alleged non gross negligence?
But when Trump fired him, they loved him.

Remember when rightists hated Comey for closing the Clinton investigation but when he made that announcement just before the election they loved him?

a reply to: Grambler
Yes. I know about the big one.

but the leaks of Trumps team and their conversations most likely came from this unmasking.

Maybe. Or maybe it came from something else.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: EchoesInTime

There was no evidence found up till the point of Meuller taking over the investigation.

Really? How do you know this?

If there was evidence it would have leaked and Trump would not be President.

a reply to: EchoesInTime

If there was evidence it would have leaked and Trump would not be President.

Maybe. If it was leaked. And if Trump were involved.

The investigation is about Russian efforts to influence the election and whether members of the Trump campaign may have been involved.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler
Yes. I know about the big one.

but the leaks of Trumps team and their conversations most likely came from this unmasking.

Maybe. Or maybe it came from something else.

I suppose.

Still, it is unusual to unmask a large list of names (who were not being investigated) connected to a political rival.

It is even more unusual to then take unprecedented step to make sure foreign agencies and other us agencies get this info.

It seems quite likely this is what led to IC sources having access to info to leak to the press.

At the very least, we know this at least happened with Flynn, which is enough to be totally unacceptable.

Again, the precedent has been set. Trump may now unmask anyone connected with his rival he wants for any dumb reason, and if that means he learns what his opponents are talkling about, and some of that gets leaked to the press, so be it.

I will be criticizing that too, but it will be fun to see the hypocrites that will all of the sudden have a problem with it that applauded Obama doing it.

a reply to: Grambler

Still, it is unusual to unmask a large list of names (who were not being investigated) connected to a political rival.

Seems the ties and interactions between members of a presidential campaign and Russian (and other foreign interests) is unusual too. So maybe there was a good reason for the unmasking.

At the very least, we know this at least happened with Flynn, which is enough to be totally unacceptable.

I agree. That this was leaked is very bad. I hope the culprit is found.

Trump may now unmask anyone connected with his rival he wants for any dumb reason,

I'm not sure that is the case.

originally posted by: avgguy
The mental gymnastics by the liberals in this thread are pure gold.

I agree, it is funny as hell, hahaha. And I say this as a Bernie supporter- which I guess makes me a liberal too. Sort of. At least is many conservative people's eyes.

By the way, Julian Assange is also having fun with this:

twitter.com...

and

twitter.com...

originally posted by: Phage
Seems the ties and interactions between members of a presidential campaign and Russian and( other interests) is unusual too.

Are you sure?

Hillarys team had very dubious russian connections (Podesta group, Uranium one). And before this election, no one seemed to make a big deal about politicians working with russians.

Given the hysteria with trump team, its seems even more unusual that a big deal wasn't made of Hillarys russian connections.

I agree. That this was leaked is very bad. I hope the culprit is found.

Agreed.

I'm not sure that is the case.

I hope you are right. And no doubt the same mainstream media that gave Rice and Obama a pass would scream about this authoritarian move by Trump.

But it will be hard to argue with a straight face that if it was ok for Obamas team to unmask over a UAE vistit to the US, that Trumps team couldn't also use very vague and meaningless reasons to do this.

originally posted by: ReadingOne

originally posted by: avgguy
The mental gymnastics by the liberals in this thread are pure gold.

I agree, it is funny as hell, hahaha. And I say this as a Bernie supporter- which I guess makes me a liberal too. Sort of. At least is many conservative people's eyes.

By the way, Julian Assange is also having fun with this:

twitter.com...

and

twitter.com...

Assange is the man. Of course, he knew all along of Obama and the deep states unfair treatement of trump and their ridiculous russian narrative.

a reply to: Grambler

And before this election, no one seemed to make a big deal about politicians working with russians.

Nor was the level of Russian involvement with the election process known.

But it will be hard to argue with a straight face that if it was ok for Obamas team to unmask over a UAE vistit to the US, that Trumps team couldn't also use very vague and meaningless reasons to do this.

It would depend on how vague and meaningless. Trump seems to be able to excel in that department.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Grambler

And before this election, no one seemed to make a big deal about politicians working with russians.

Nor was the level of Russian involvement with the election process known.

Again not exactly true.

Romney accused Russia of being a huge threat and was laughed at by Obama. Obama was then caught hot mic telling russians he would have more flexibility to work with them after he won.

And I have yet to see proof the Russia did the hacks.

I have just heard that 17 agencies, oh wait scratch that (that was a claim by Hillary that was parroted by the MSM without facts) the 3 or 4 agencies say Russia did it without showing any proof, despite Charles Murray and assange saying it wasn't russsia, and the FBi not being given access to the server, and the democrat connected private firm that was the one that said it was Russia being wrong about russian hacks in the Ukraine.

a reply to: Phage

Can you provide any proof of this "level of Russian involvement with the election process" that you claim is "known"?

Thanks in advance.

a reply to: Grambler

Romney accused Russia of being a huge threat and was laughed at by Obama.

Because of attempts to meddle in the election? And that was a few years back. Before Ukraine and stuff.

Obama was then caught hot mic telling russians he would have more flexibility to work with them after he won.

And Trump said he would love to work with the Russians after he won right out loud.

And I have yet to see proof the Russia did the hacks.

You're hung up on the stolen emails? There's a lot more to it than that.

a reply to: Grambler


Yep...the media is 88% anti-Trump, yet he prevails. Gotta love it!

originally posted by: Phage
You're hung up on the stolen emails? There's a lot more to it than that.

Sure I will look at evidence you provide.

Are you reffering to Russias...... Facebook pages!!!!!! Oh no!!!!!

Apparently, after digging through advertising data for the better part of full year now, Facebook felt compelled to let us know that they found a 'staggering' $50,000 worth of ad buys that 'MAY' have been purchased by Russian-linked accounts to run 'potentially politically related' ads.

No really, Facebook, a $500 billion company, actually thinks that $50,000 worth of ad revenue is news and quite literally could have changed the course of American history.

www.zerohedge.com...

a reply to: Phage


I remember the last president claiming to be a "transparent administration" however vague isn't even the beginning of how transparent they were. Crazy how political leanings can blind such a bright person from facts. We all know the back office dealings those crooks had and you immediately jump on something not yet proven on the new administration..

If it comes out President Trump collided so be it... but how about you let the process run its course before you interject your personal beliefs, which is what most of your posts consist of... opinions.

Fact is Trump said he was being survielled and it is beginning to appear he was right.