North Korea Launches another Missile Eastwards

I'm guessing the Lil Kim toy rockets can't get past the ionosphere, and therefore the stated trajectory arc is impossible for these rockets to achieve, and the info being reported of these ICBM launches is pretty much a lie.

Seems like these Lil Kim ICBMs are kind of like Iraq's WMDs.

What is the harm in punitive sanctions to deter any nuclear build up, and let Kim blather on with all the tough talk he can muster.

What's the worst outcome of that? I don't think Japan or US leaders have such fragile egos to care about tough talk from Lil Kim do they? The sanctions are tough actions that can do more damage than just a bruised ego, you think?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I think all of this is to prevent or stave off the US dollar collapsing,if China trades in Yuan backed by gold,no matter how many millions of US dollars you have,they all will be worthless,and NK is Chinas stooge,ww3 may not be far off

It's all a bit odd, surely he can't be crazy enough to attack anyone?

Or is he?

Anyway this missile apparently went farther than any of the others and could hit Guam (at least that's what the media are saying), so I guess we're entering into a whole new ball game now.

Interesting though that NK doesn't have a Rothschild run central bank, and is rich in untapped mineral resources.

Funny how the evil dictators we need to "take out" are always sat on oil, or minerals, or the country can be raped by installing a puppet bank.

Scary times.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Justso

No they aren't. The missiles are passing over Japanese airspace, not through it. National airspace is not from the ground to space. There's no formal agreement, but it's generally accepted that airspace stops at about 80 miles.

That's fair. But surely launching a missile into an ocean area without a pre warning could lead to a response. Say that a fleet of another nation was in those waters at the time. Crikey, might even be Russian or Chinese. Now, this leads me to thinking that those countries may have prior knowledge of such launches as their fleets are not in the impact zone so they would regard a launch as not a provocation to them.

Consider this. That if a fleet was indeed in that particular impact zone. Would there be a response? Now, do we know that there were no private concerns operating in that particular zone albeit a charter vessel, container ship, liner etc.

What about an aircraft in the missile's final trajectory?

NK cares nothing for this. So I can applaud people for saying the launch is irresponsible regardless of the airspace above other countries. I don't care for the airspace. I care for where NK's flamin skyrockets are going to land. I share the concern of other countries when a launch is executed without warning.

Airspace ends when an aircraft is knocked out, a ship or boat hit or the flaming thing goes rogue and smacks land,

Fire one 'over' China's or the Russian "airspace". I'm sure then a response will be initiated/

kind regards,

bally

a reply to: Justso

They've BEEN at war. There was no formal end to the Korean War the first time. They signed an armistice with the intention of signing a peace treaty, but never did.

a reply to: bally001

What North Korea is doing is insane, and sooner or later they're going to screw up. There's already been an incident with a commercial flight passing through the area a missile went through ten minutes later.

But, until they do, our options are limited to really bad ones that are going to get a lot of people killed. Even when they do our options suck and will probably get a lot of people killed.

a reply to: Oldtimer2

There my be many motives/advantages to be found. No crisis is wasted.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The real problem here isn't the actual threat they pose, but the perceived threat.

Japan, telling their citizens to seek shelter is a major concern as they don't know if a missile was inert or not. Even if it was not inert, and never touched land or people, just detonating above a population center with a nuke, depending on the yield, would cause a helluva crisis just from the pulse.

I think he is hoping for miscalculation in an effort to draw China into conflict with the US and Japan....Jong un is completing the task that Al Quaeda couldn't complete; segregating what were once (mostly) allies to the point of conflict and weakening all sides.


I can't help but to wonder just how much a hand China has in condoning the North's extremist actions. I can't help but to wonder if they are the silent cheerleaders.

ETA: This is rich, coming from China:

In Beijing, Hua Chunying, a spokeswoman for the Chinese foreign ministry, told reporters Friday that China opposed the test, but called the situation on the Korean Peninsula “complicated, sensitive and severe” and urged all sides to exercise restraint.

Ok fine. Does that mean that if WE embark upon a campaign of 24/7 missile flyovers on NK and into the sea, that the world too, has to exercise restraint? F em...let the north be on the receiving end of not knowing what is inert versus the real mccoy....let their people rush to "shelter" every 5 minutes. I mean if the North invading another sovereign nations airspace with ordinance is not an act of war, then a missile campaign over NK surely can't be one either, right?

The missile didn't get shot down because...we don't have the ability to shoot it down...despite all the BS rhetoric and bravado to the contrary.

Oh sure, we can make a public display of allegedly shooting down some missile...when WE launched the missile to be shot down, and when WE know the exact trajectory of said missile...and...when we get 2-3 tries at it. Just another multi-billion dollar government ruse. Then enter MIRV technology...not a chance then. The norks don't have MIRV...yet, but they will soon enough.

BINGO:
“Rather than initiating an attack on North Korea for crossing yet another technological threshold, it would be more prudent to reserve a preemptive attack for when the Intelligence Community has strong evidence of imminent strategic nuclear attack on the U.S. or its allies. Similarly, a lone North Korean missile on a test flight aimed only at open water does not pose an imminent or existential threat to the United States. Intercepting such a flight, as some have advocated, would redirect international focus and anger away from another North Korean violation of UN resolutions and instead to the U.S. military action.”
www.theatlantic.com...

a reply to: CaptainBeno

This crap is getting tedious, next thing it will be "News flash, wee North Korean peasant chap tosses brick into the DMZ, pictures live at 9pm!!!". LoL

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The missile wasn't shot down because it wasn't a threat. None of them have been.

As Zaphod points out, we have no viable options in this mess. Kim, for all intents and purpose, has won this battle. Trump painted himself into a corner with his balls-on-fire smack talk but Kim knows, it's all just bellicose bravado. There's nothing we can do that won't result in the death and destruction of millions of innocent people. Prior administrations figured this out. The only solution is for Kim to be taken-out internally.

a reply to: Zaphod58

That's not the point.

If it had been a threat the result would have been the same.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Depending on the type of missile. The regional anti missile systems are far better than you give them credit for. Especially against missiles at this level. The anti ICBM systems have a long way to go.

Seoul launched a Hyumnu-2 missile off the coast of the volatile country's coast to show its readiness to strike back in the event of a direct hit.

www.express.co.uk...

a reply to: Zaphod58

Riddle me this; why, if we have capability such as you allege, why wouldn't we shoot down a missile streaking across an allied country??? Wouldn't this be a pretty convincing counter to all the NK bravado and sabre rattling? Wouldn't this pretty much throw a wet towel right over Kim Jong Un's head???

Could it be...because we might miss...and prove to the world we can't back all this BS up??? I mean, after all, didn't we just get done saying 'the next missile will be shot down'? Oh wait, I guess it's the next, 'next', missile.

And no, it would not be an 'act of war', not with NK anyway, because technically this conflict never ended (as you yourself have stated).

a reply to: Zaphod58 & a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

That's the only possible next step, sanctions are worthless and the only way to show some resolve is shooting the test missiles down.


But it's also true that it would be super embarrassing if this fails.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Well, the really big reason is that, contrary to what you and others seem to think, it's not our decision to make. The country they've gone over isn't the US, or US territory. The decision to shoot or not to shoot is up to the Japanese government.

Second, the longer the missile flies, the more data you get. That means you have a better idea of countermeasures used by the missile, and other data.

Can the system miss? Of course. There is no such thing as a perfect system. That doesn't mean it's useless or a failure. You're talking about hitting a bullet, by firing a bullet from 3 miles away. You're not going to hit every time.

This is It. WW3 will finally start. Around September 23 according to a number of prophecies.

Now Russia and China won't stop the war before it is already started.
North Korea is crazy enough to provoke it. And USA/SK/Japan will respond overwhelmingly. Then NK will be put into corner and will use nukes first.

Then God knows how big it will come. Unless supernatural intervention comes after the first nuke, this is WW3. I could say more, but not in this thread/forum.