“Something is very wrong with men”

Well, yeah! Haven't you ever heard of a race called the Aschen?

a reply to: loam

I'd say this study is more than likely based on those living in big Cities with all the pollution.

originally posted by: Kuroodo
Anyone ever considered that this could be due to more men having a lot more sex or the fact that pornography and masturbation is a big thing now?

Although true, I still think it's largely environmental.

I found it very strange that the Ichan School of Medicine is mentioned in this article as being involved in this particular study, as I seem to have found a connection with that very school and American Eugenics (at least it was connected in the past).
I made a thread about it if anyone is interested:
Down a Rabbit Hole: Planned Parenthood, Mt Sinai School of Medicine, and Carl Ichan

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: eisegesis
You can either rig the door on your microwave to get a 1000 watt BJ or strap similar frequencies to your waist to give the "boys" 2 watts of foreplay. It all depends how fast and hard you want it.

See a doctor. Please.

Why?

My brother and his wife tried to have children for years (she had 2 by previous marriage) but with no success.
Was it his years of motorcycle riding (and crashing?)
I have 4 kids.
He's 4 years older than me and is running marathons at 62.
It's the invisible stuff that is running (or ruining) our lives.

It could be as simple as prolonged sitting, alcohol, drugs and emotional stress, all of which seem to be on the rise in parallel to this problem.

a reply to: loam

Maybe it's time for the scientific community to wake up and really study what is going on.

When the funding dries up due to less total taxation/lower populations and the "scientists" have nothing left to lose, maybe then they will take on the polluters.

a reply to: loam

Men are not allowed to be men anymore, soon our (SNIP) will fall off, and we are all wearing high heels.

-True story-

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: loam

So this is the real life "The Children of Men" movie, where women can't get pregnant anymore.

Frightening... plastics, pesticides, chemicals, GMOs etc. are likely the culprit

Gonna start practicing my "fugee face".

I heard laptops are a big killer, due to the heat they vent, and supposedly heat kills sperm too.

originally posted by: Greenblaz
The conspiracy theorist inside me says its big pharma... there is a HUGE market for infertility treatments. I know, I paid out for them. People will pay anything to be able to have babies.

JT

That and depopulation for sure.

peace

Edit to Add: Love the title to this thread. I just kind of nodded yes and agreed.

On reading the title I initially assumed that this was going to be an assault on the patriarchy. :p

This is disturbing news, who would have thought that the situation described in "The children of men" movie and also "The handmaids tale" would possibly come to pass?

Personally, I've had 2 children already and have taken steps to make sure that I can't have any more. It's really sad to think that there are people out there desperately trying to conceive but can't. That's only the personal human scale. If trends continue it could be humanity itself that's at risk and that is a worrying prospect.

originally posted by: chadderson

3. Those pushing man-made climate change are keeping us from the real issue, Environmental Conservation

This is it, in a nutshell.

The AGW "debate" is meant to be a dead end full of silly passion. There should be no debate: we are terrible stewards of our planet. To sit and discuss carbon taxes while dumping corexit into the oceans is just stupid.

I can live with hotter temps and more hurricanes/tornados if we can remove the mercury from the fish, and ban glyphosate.

originally posted by: ADSE255
Up a higher note, bringing a child into this world as t is right now, would be a stupid thing to do.

I heard that same statement repeated in a science class whne we were covering exponential growth and overpopulation. Oddly enough, I agreed at the time, despite maybe disagreeing now.

It's tempting to think there's an agenda to deconstruct nationalism, family, depopulate and so on. But in truth, I think what's occurring is more like how water seeks the path of least resistance when finding the ocean or sea. We have a habit of anthropomorphizing everything, seeing an agenda where there's none. Religious people will add religious elements.

So what do I think is the path of least resistence? I think the genders are blurring because those selection pressures are weakening. I don't think male and female will merge, but we might sprout butterfly wings overnight. In essence, the future is unsure, anything might emerge. Where there's a selection pressure, it'll be favored over others. If you can predict the future, good for you, but it's unlikely since so many interacting elements.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
We are such a silly lot. We have food all around us but we spend a fortune trying to destroy it. We are brainwashed into believing that only poor and desperate people will eat weeds, yet we pay a fortune for a weed that was imported from another country, because we are told it is exotic, trendy, and only the sophisticated and elite have the knowledge of its secret path to longevity and good health.

We are so damn gullible it isn't even funny.

We have free, edible, healthy and numerous food right at our feet and we poison the ground it grows on to eradicate it. In the process we destroy other things and sterilize ourselves. Maybe it is a good thing our numbers are being limited .

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: loam

Men are not allowed to be men anymore, soon our (SNIP) will fall off, and we are all wearing high heels.

-True story-

No, you've been allowed for decades--centuries even, what's changed is it no longer contributes. The stream, err the man, is searching easier paths, err non-traditional paths, to find the sea.

This is what I believe is going on. The world around us is changing fast and we're forced to find new paths. There's no guarantee we'll find them, but odds are some will, and they're the transition to our future. This has always occurred. And also someday we might not be Homo sapiens, progress knows no such bounds. We're living embodiments of change. 99.9999% of all species ever existed are extinct. We're destined to change or go extinct.

For example, one theory for the extinction of Homo erectus is its brain didn't favor language and speech. It was however equally big as Homo Sapiens'. Something similar might be the case for Neanderthal.

Below is a possible example:
www.sciencedaily.com - Neanderthal brains focused on vision and movement leaving less room for social networking...

Neanderthal brains were adapted to allow them to see better and maintain larger bodies, according to new research. Although Neanderthals' brains were similar in size to their contemporary modern human counterparts, fresh analysis of fossil data suggests that their brain structure was rather different. Results imply that larger areas of the Neanderthal brain, compared to the modern human brain, were given over to vision and movement and this left less room for the higher level thinking required to form large social groups.

originally posted by: loam

Male Infertility Crisis in U.S. Has Experts Baffled

Startling new evidence suggests male infertility may be much worse than it appears. According to Levine and Swan’s work, sperm levels—the most important measurement of male fertility—are declining throughout much of the world, including the U.S. The report, published in late July, reviewed thousands of studies and concluded that sperm concentration had fallen by 52 percent among men in Western countries between 1973 and 2011. Four decades ago, the average Western man had a sperm concentration of 99 million per milliliter. By 2011, that had fallen to 47.1 million. The plummet is alarming because sperm concentrations below 40 million per milliliter are considered below normal and can impair fertility. (The researchers found no significant declines for non-Western men, in part because of a lack of quality data, though other studies have found major drops in countries like China and Japan.) And the decline has grown steeper in recent years, which means that the crisis is deepening. “This is pretty scary,” says Swan, who has long studied reproductive health. “I think we should be very concerned about this trend.”

...fertility rates—the number of live births per woman—have drastically declined in the same countries with falling sperm counts. That includes the U.S., where fertility rates hit a record low this year, and where women are no longer bearing enough children to replace the existing population. Women need to average roughly 2.1 children—enough to replace themselves and their partner, with a spare bit to offset kids who don’t survive to reproductive age—to keep a country’s population stable through birth alone. The U.S. is at 1.8 and dependent on continued immigration to keep the population growing. Sociological and economic factors play a role in the changing size of the American family. Fertility rates were above the replacement level until the 2007 recession, then they plunged. And despite a years-long economic recovery and low unemployment, they’re still falling. Pair that with studies showing that nearly one in six couples in the U.S. trying to get pregnant can’t do so over the course of a year of unprotected sex—the medical definition of infertility—and it’s clear that something beyond economic insecurity is preventing Americans from having as many babies as they want.

This would seem to be the moment for the medical world to throw everything it can at understanding what is happening to male fertility. Yet researchers on male reproduction are forced to rely on less-than-perfect data because the kind of comprehensive, longitudinal studies that might conclusively tell us what is happening to sperm counts have never been done.

Eight years ago, I started this thread: MEN: You are being chemically castrated.

That thread was about how endocrine disrupters could be the culprit to the decline in sperm counts and declining birth rates. Nearly a decade later, and we still don't seem to have a handle on this issue.

Maybe it's time for the scientific community to wake up and really study what is going on.

Any bets whether that will happen ten years from now?

Just sayin'

Maybe it has something to do with the unregulated endocrine disruptor Metformin.

See: Metformin is an Endocrine Disruptor and Threat to Humankind

In the above link you will find Metformin causes intersex and reduced fecundity in male fish at relevant environmental exposure levels. It is perhaps the world's most abundant pharmaceutical contaminate and there is currently zero EPA regulations on Metformin and its ultimate transformation product, Guanylurea.

In a study published at the beginning of this month, it was found that Metformin alters the reproductive system in male rats during in utero and lactational exposure.

Sexual behavior of male offspring was affected in both MET groups. However, a decrease in the sperm count was observed only in METGL group.

In utero and lactational exposure to metformin induces reproductive alterations in male rat offspring.

this is the best thing. slow depopulation, no one dies, just not as many kids.

if the lower classes stopped having 3-5 kids with a 30k household income?

its up to you, but i would never have a kid because i do not make enough money.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It could be as simple as prolonged sitting, alcohol, drugs and emotional stress, all of which seem to be on the rise in parallel to this problem.

Or too many money shots...Having kids are not that popular today, even getting married is not that popular either. Both create long term commitments that could cost a lifetime of wages and so due to this many are saying no thank you to either.

I think the low sperm count is more along the lines that you mentioned. I'll add in one more that deals with male aggressive drive to copulate being replaced by the Xbox. When a male is away from his mate for a period of time his sperm count goes up to over come any other male that may have jumped in during his absence. Makes one think what other primordial urges and human nature are just dying out.