Has it really been 16 years?

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: ausername

I'm curious, how are your memories holding up?

Weird story: Osama bin Laden was named before the 2 planes flown by Saudis (took basic flying lessons) made 3 (three) buildings collapse.

26 days later the US invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban provided training bases for Al Qaeda. 45 days later the Patriot Act was enacted & 2 years later the US invaded Iraq with embedded reporters. The US military has now been active in the region for 15 years. Mission Accomplished.

Then we have building 7 - nary a mention in the 9/11 commission report, collapsed at free-fall speed, was called by BBC 20mins before it occurred. Was not hit by a plane.

Loose Change & Zeitgeist on YT piqued my curiosity to explore the conspiracy(s) surrounding that day. The ATS 9/11 Conspiracies forum is wild, here's a screenshot of the top 8 topics (ranked by most flagged)...

After all of this time, do we have the smoking gun, conclusive proof?

I don't know, honestly 9/11 conspiracies are so full of misinformation it's hard, if not impossible to find an absolute path to the truth. Similar to the JFK assassination. Perhaps a mystery that will never be fully solved, but one that people will find some acceptable level of truth. But closure? Probably not.

I still have an incredibly difficult time wrapping my head around the possibility that the attacks on 9/11/2001 was an inside job. But I can't dismiss that possibility either.

Crazy right? I am sure that older members probably feel the same way about the assassination of JFK... Nothing in my mind is a better comparison so sorry if this example is inappropriate.

a reply to: ausername
Holy hell... Those are old threads, I remember member airspoon I wonder where he went too?

a reply to: ausername

I remember being in a toy shop in Dundee with my, then, girlfriend and her young son, I was paying for something for him when one of my good friends called me and said America was under attack, the World Trade Centre was hit by planes and a missile hit the Pentagon. I told him he must be imagining things and to call me back a few minutes later. He did and explained and I listened to what was going in, slightly shocked.

My girlfriend and I started arguing, aboit what, I can't remember, I just had this niggling feeling we were witnessing the opening shots of WWIII. My girlfriend and her son went into Boots the chemist while I waited outside, called my Mum to talk to her about what was going on.

As I was finishing up the call, before my girlfriend came out of Boots a friend came past and asked if I heard what was going on, I told him I had and he grinned and said "we're gonna get high and watch the world burn! Come join us." so I did...

Remember that morning, on the way to work in Boston on the S.E. Expressway.
When news of the second plane hitting the WTC... people pulling off to the side of the road, heads down, some crying.
It was such a beautiful day, and the surreal, sudden knowledge of what was going down near us, was a contrast I will certainly never forget.

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I'm still confused too. Did our government have knowledge or do this to our selves to go after Iran for the Bushes? Now we find out the Bushes were/are the friends of the Middle East? And old man Bush sticks up for the Middle East leaders?

My world has been turned upside down since 9/11-and the JFK truths coming out over 50 years later. Is everything just a lie-everywhere?

This is why I read ATS and little else. And no broadcast news-all lies.

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Now I know why Jackie Stewart was such a fantastic driver.. I only hit 4 curbs from the Edinburgh Airport to The Salisbury Arms™ and I'm an excellent driver...

Is "Your friend" anywhere near Linlithgow? hahahahaha

a reply to: ausername

The day it happened, i remember.

I remember being half awake hearing from my sister's alarm clock accross the way, something about planes flying into the trade centers.

I stumbled out of my room into the kitchen, and all I saw was the tv left on, towers burning, and no one was home.

Within less than a minute, new reports came in about the Pentagon being attacked.

Yea, it was a surreal and eerie day.

Things just...changed, after that day.

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I watched on television as planes connected with skyscrapers, as bodies fell like rain, as solid metal and concrete fell as nothing more than dust. I watched firemen and police officers, and passers by alike run from the clouds of billowing dust and debris. I watched as spectres of people, dusty apparitions resolved on grainy camera footage, into the stumbling, shuffling forms of survivors. I watched.

But what I saw happen was not nearly as shocking as learning what I did afterward, about who paid the bills for the group that did it.

originally posted by: ausername

I'm curious, how are your memories holding up?

I remember it all vividly, too. I was 30, at the time. A friend called to tell me that a plane had hit one of the WTC towers. I turned on the television and woke up my mom who was staying with me. She went back to sleep and I continued watching. I called my boyfriend (now husband), and we kept in continuous contact, all day, while he was at work watching, too.

When I saw the second plane hit, I woke my mom up again, and her first words were, "It's a terrorist attack, probably Al Qaeda." The 1993 bombing planted that seed, and she got up and we watched together for the rest of the morning and afternoon.

I also remember a reporter say, "Something seems to be going on with the South Tower." And I said, "Oh my God, it's collapsing!" I realized before he did, and that has always stuck with me. Witnessing the events in real time was traumatic and surreal.

After my mom left, I continued to watch throughout the night...sleeping with the TV on and waking often to check in on things.

It took several months, maybe longer, for me to begin to question the official story.


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I do not, however, remember seeing video of the first plane hit, on the morning of 9/11/2001, unlike George W. Bush -- because video of that didn't surface until many hours later.

I would not embellish my experience of watching the events unfold -- it was dramatic enough, as is. And I believe GWB's claim that he saw the first tower hit before the second tower was hit, was a very telling slip-up by a co-conspirator who doesn't have a story about that morning that he can share without implicating himself. I do not believe it was an *innocent* embellishment.

Feels like about 30 to me. 30 looooonnnngggggggggg years.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Tempter
The Patriot Act. May it burn in hell.

Don't forget the conveniently timed anthrax attacks on the offices of powerful lawmakers. Those attacks ensured that the Patriot Act passed.

Ugh... That was a lone nut taking advantage of the situation and not even a muslim terrorist too...
Anthrax Attacks - Bruce Edwards Ivins

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Tempter
The Patriot Act. May it burn in hell.

Don't forget the conveniently timed anthrax attacks on the offices of powerful lawmakers. Those attacks ensured that the Patriot Act passed.

Ugh... That was a lone nut taking advantage of the situation and not even a muslim terrorist too...
Anthrax Attacks - Bruce Edwards Ivins

Only Muslims are terrorists? Which Muslims? The brown ones or the oriental ones that are the majority of Muslims?

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Tempter
The Patriot Act. May it burn in hell.

Don't forget the conveniently timed anthrax attacks on the offices of powerful lawmakers. Those attacks ensured that the Patriot Act passed.

Ugh... That was a lone nut taking advantage of the situation and not even a muslim terrorist too...
Anthrax Attacks - Bruce Edwards Ivins

Only Muslims are terrorists? Which Muslims? The brown ones or the oriental ones that are the majority of Muslims?

Are you being facetious? The point was that the Anthrax scare happened right after 9/11 so everyone thought it was being done by Al Qeda. There is even a whole section in that wikipedia article about blaming Al Qeda and Iraq for the attacks. So the point is that people jumped to conclusions over something that would eventually be solved by good ole fashioned police work all as a pretext to implement one of the most unconstitutional and freedom stealing policies in American history and justify an invasion of a country that had nothing to do with the attacks.

Working night shift on the b-52 in the middle of a NORI, just got off work and dozed for about an hour snapped awake just in time to see the second impact.

Dialed up work they said if your coming in get in here now before the base locks down, worked our butts off downloaded all the bombers and spun them up for real world.

I think i am maybe 2 years, max, away from making fun of the 9/11 annual sob fest.

My frustration started to boil over yesterday. How many freaking times do I need to see that plane crash? Reliving violent acts just can't be good for mental health.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Tempter
The Patriot Act. May it burn in hell.

Don't forget the conveniently timed anthrax attacks on the offices of powerful lawmakers. Those attacks ensured that the Patriot Act passed.

Ugh... That was a lone nut taking advantage of the situation and not even a muslim terrorist too...
Anthrax Attacks - Bruce Edwards Ivins

Only Muslims are terrorists? Which Muslims? The brown ones or the oriental ones that are the majority of Muslims?

Are you being facetious?

Nope. I need to get my sarcasm meter checked or a lesson in reading comprehension.

originally posted by: JimNasium
a reply to: djz3ro


Now I know why Jackie Stewart was such a fantastic driver.. I only hit 4 curbs from the Edinburgh Airport to The Salisbury Arms™ and I'm an excellent driver...

Is "Your friend" anywhere near Linlithgow? hahahahaha

Nearer now than he was then, at that time he lived in Dundee, now he lives in Glasgow ha ha

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Tempter
The Patriot Act. May it burn in hell.

Don't forget the conveniently timed anthrax attacks on the offices of powerful lawmakers. Those attacks ensured that the Patriot Act passed.

Ugh... That was a lone nut taking advantage of the situation and not even a muslim terrorist too...
Anthrax Attacks - Bruce Edwards Ivins

Only Muslims are terrorists? Which Muslims? The brown ones or the oriental ones that are the majority of Muslims?

Are you being facetious?

Nope. I need to get my sarcasm meter checked or a lesson in reading comprehension.

Good luck.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah, I know what the official story is. And it's not like I said the guy was a Muslim, Christian, atheist, etc, so that part doesn't really apply to my post. I just find it convenient that a more refined version of anthrax was sent to the offices of Democratic Senator and then-Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy.

Two more anthrax letters, bearing the same Trenton postmark, were dated October 9, three weeks after the first mailing. The letters were addressed to two Democratic Senators, Tom Daschle of South Dakota and Patrick Leahy of Vermont. At the time, Daschle was the Senate Majority leader and Leahy was head of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The Daschle letter was opened by an aide, Grant Leslie, on October 15, and the government mail service was shut down. The unopened Leahy letter was discovered in an impounded mailbag on November 16. The Leahy letter had been misdirected to the State Department mail annex in Sterling, Virginia, because a ZIP code was misread; a postal worker there, David Hose, contracted inhalational anthrax.

More potent than the first anthrax letters, the material in the Senate letters was a highly refined dry powder consisting of about one gram of nearly pure spores. A series of conflicting news reports appeared, some claiming the powders had been "weaponized" with silica. Bioweapons experts who later viewed images of the attack anthrax saw no indication of "weaponization".[18] Tests by Sandia National Laboratories in early 2002 confirmed that the attack powders were not weaponized.[

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm not saying the anthrax was weaponized or that the official culprit didn't do it. I just find it highly suspicious, especially since the letter to Daschle's office was opened on Oct 15th, which was less than 2 weeks before the Patriot Act was passed in Congress & then signed into law. The media hype and hysteria about the high toxicity of the anthrax attacks was in full effect at that time, which I believe led to the fast passage of the Patriot Act. And by the time the anthrax in both letters sent to the Senators was properly analyzed, the Patriot Act had been signed into law for several months. Hence the wording of my original post.