What God and why?

Posted by noinden
but made me think
What god would a person choose and why that particular god

originally posted by: Noinden
Honestly I think it comes down to control. Polytheism or atheism allows you to seek an alternative (other Gods, or your own opinion), and well that is bad when you want to control the masses

What does (do you think) christianity teach that causes offence
What control does chritianity have that is shouldnt
Why cant christians choose another deity if they wish, obviously they wont be christian but is anyone forced?

There is so much false information in society and so many people have no idea commenting on what they dont understand

Christians believe in a creator, who gave free will, and you have a right to excercise that free will, why say you dont

a reply to: Raggedyman

You don't need someone else's God.

Choose your own.

You and God don't need a middleman.

The key is morality. Christ gave us 2 Commandments; and they transcend EVERYTHING:

1. "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you."

2. "Love each other, as I have loved you."

Simple. Elegant. Perfect.

Those 2 edicts, if followed... could probably solve 99% of the world's problems.

Profound.

Miraculous.

From my understanding Christians aren't forced to believe in their God. They are free to pursue other religious beliefs and are free to return to their former religion , except maybe within some sects over issues of excommunication... but that is rare.

Christianity is one of the religions that grants total free will along with the grace of forgiveness when that free will is abused.

It truly is one of the most beautiful religions on this planet.

Praise "Bob!"

a reply to: Raggedyman

Choosing a religion is a lot like choosing a political party.

It really isn't one size fits all so you simply have to follow your conscience.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Raggedyman

You don't need someone else's God.

Choose your own.

You and God don't need a middleman.

What
I didnt say you had to, whats with you

I asked a simple (well I thought so) question
Dont want to answer, please dont

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Raggedyman

Choosing a religion is a lot like choosing a political party.

It really isn't one size fits all so you simply have to follow your conscience.

Yeah, I know

I get that, hence the thread
Hence why I am asking the question
What god would a person choose and why that particular god

a reply to: Raggedyman

I think the truth is enshrined in most drama where self-seeking people are ultimately manipulated into doing things that they don't want to do. These people usually seek for their own pleasure and believe that they are self-actualising about their 'needs'.

Whereas those who hold to to absolute and unbendable rules, cannot be so easily manipulated, but must acquiesce first to a higher power.

Those who want to embrace their 'own way', see lawfulness as repression, not as a balanced way for large numbers of very different people to interrelate. They therefore resent 'lawkeepers' as opressors of their freedoms. They will never truly understand that they are enslaved to their own transient desires and that there are lawful and good fulfilments that are better.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Christians believe in a creator, who gave free will, and you have a right to excercise that free will, why say you dont

That might be what all christians say but it is not how all christians act.

Also, christians are not the same as the church. When people say chrsitianity they usually mean the church and to a certain extent the christians that went along with the actions of the church.

All you have to defend yourself is a no true scotsman fallacy.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Christians believe in a creator, who gave free will, and you have a right to excercise that free will, why say you dont

That might be what all christians say but it is not how all christians act.

Also, christians are not the same as the church. When people say chrsitianity they usually mean the church and to a certain extent the christians that went along with the actions of church.

All you have to defend yourself is a no true scotsman fallacy.

In your opinion
In the ideal world, christians would be christians, they arnt for the most

Irrespective, you are missing the question and arguing a different point

Its not a no scotsman argument at all, a scotsman comes from scotland.
Your argument is silly, its not about scotland

originally posted by: Sheye

Christianity is one of the religions that grants total free will along with the grace of forgiveness when that free will is abused.

Ha!

Envy, gluttony, greed, lust, pride, sloth, and wrath.

Those 7 attributes ARE Free Will you tool.

It truly is one of the most beautiful religions on this planet.

Imagine if you thought for yourself...you'd be Dangerous!

a reply to: chr0naut

The rules of Christianity were made by men and not God. Asking anyone to take something on 'faith' is a cop out and forces us to suspend all reason.

I am generally positively disposed towards Christians; it is difficult to ignore the implied arrogance of their position which is essentially that they hold some secret knowledge over the rest of us. It is condescending whether or not it is intentional.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the God who endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

originally posted by: BestinShow

originally posted by: Sheye

Christianity is one of the religions that grants total free will along with the grace of forgiveness when that free will is abused.

Ha!

Envy, gluttony, greed, lust, pride, sloth, and wrath.

Those 7 attributes ARE Free Will you tool.

It truly is one of the most beautiful religions on this planet.

Imagine if you thought for yourself...you'd be Dangerous!

What

How does that make any sense
Are you saying that free will doesnt exist
That Envy, gluttony, greed, lust, pride, sloth, and wrath are not free will
That they dont exist, they do What?

Your post makes no sense at all

originally posted by: Raggedyman
In your opinion
In the ideal world, christians would be christians, they arnt for the most

That was my point.

Irrespective, you are missing the question and arguing a different point

If so then it is probably because you missed the point of Noinden's post.

Its not a no scotsman argument at all, a scotsman comes from scotland.
Your argument is silly, its not about scotland

You might want to look up what it means. If you already know then I guess you were trying to be funny.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: chr0naut

The rules of Christianity were made by men and not God. Asking anyone to take something on 'faith' is a cop out and forces us to suspend all reason. While I generally think positively of Christians; it is difficult to ignore the implied arrogance of their position which is essentially that they hold some secret knowledge over the rest of us. It is condescending whether or not it is intentional.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the God who endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

What rules?
seriously do you have any idea what you are talking about met? Because I am lost

Nowhere in the bible are we told not to reason, thats in your head

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: chr0naut

The rules of Christianity were made by men and not God. Asking anyone to take something on 'faith' is a cop out and forces us to suspend all reason. While I generally think positively of Christians; it is difficult to ignore the implied arrogance of their position which is essentially that they hold some secret knowledge over the rest of us. It is condescending whether or not it is intentional.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the God who endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

What rules?
seriously do you have any idea what you are talking about met? Because I am lost

Nowhere in the bible are we told not to reason, thats in your head

If you were to reason then the entire Christian religion defies logic.

What is a god? In this case science and many scientist have concluded intelligent design in the universe. The common held theories about evolution and the millions of years it took earth to form are falling apart. In fact the God of the old and New Testaments are being proved more valid today more then ever. The confusion came from religious fanatics of all ages. Those who used faith as their tool of control. The trials of Galileo, The several marches to Jerusalem in the early ages were mostly motivated by other then christian values. The Spanish inquisition, the Spanish armada to England, Bloody Mary of England and several, several overbearing souls leading the faith hungry souls for their own reasons. Many TV evangelist of our age were mainly out for the money. Yet it is hard to judge their hearts, except when they are caught with their hands in the cooky jar. The old saying power corrupts is proven when dealing with the ways of many individuals. Also that when given authority man has a habit of exercising unrighteous dominion.
Through the ages this has given an awful taste in the hearts of many about Christianity. But the Christianity of the history books and the true heart of the faithful are two different people. The apostles of Jesus talked of a falling away from the truth and a restoration. Most of what people are using to judge faith in God is based on the acts of the fallen. We live in the days of restoration. The publishing of the bible in the language of the land. The search for religious freedom. Martian Luther, Wycliffe and many more began the restoration period. The old ideas of faith in Christ were replaced by the actual teachings of the holy scriptures.
If you pray to God, Ask him for the truth, He will answer, and you will know. But pray with real intent to know and then give him time to answer you in a way which will have in your heart, no doubt.


n a reply to: Raggedyman

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Raggedyman
In your opinion
In the ideal world, christians would be christians, they arnt for the most

That was my point.

Irrespective, you are missing the question and arguing a different point

If so then it is probably because you missed the point of Noinden's post.

Its not a no scotsman argument at all, a scotsman comes from scotland.
Your argument is silly, its not about scotland

You might want to look up what it means. If you already know then I guess you were trying to be funny.

What
Scotsman, its not about Scotland
Its not a joke

Your comments are silly
I am not defending the church or christians, bizzare tangent, are you trying to pull stars?

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: chr0naut

The rules of Christianity were made by men and not God. Asking anyone to take something on 'faith' is a cop out and forces us to suspend all reason. While I generally think positively of Christians; it is difficult to ignore the implied arrogance of their position which is essentially that they hold some secret knowledge over the rest of us. It is condescending whether or not it is intentional.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the God who endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

What rules?
seriously do you have any idea what you are talking about met? Because I am lost

Nowhere in the bible are we told not to reason, thats in your head

If you were to reason then the entire Christian religion defies logic.

as does every one of your posts so far

Why come here?