White House has paperwork ready for Joe Arpaio pardon

a reply to: proteus33

Once again for those in the back. The judge's decision was based on an investigation done by the DOJ. An investigation initiated under the Bush administration.

Even then the investigation was conducted by the Civil Rights division. The people that work there are lifers. They don't change with the President like the appointees in the front office. What they care about is civil rights, not politics.

All the judge said was that the MCSO needed to stop illegally profiling. Arpaio said, "F*** you!" That is why he was held in contempt. A crime he actually pled guilty to.

Trump has his own laws that are convenient for his agenda. He just ignores the law when it gets in the way of what he wants. Take his Arizona campaign rally for example. Ben Carson, Sect. of HUD, was there to speak and pump-up the crowd. Innocent enough, right? Nope. An unequivocal violation of the Hatch Act. He broke Federal Law. But Trump doesn't care. And either do most of you. Why? Cause it's Trump. Trump is flawless and can do no wrong. Let's all just start ignoring the law === monkey see, monkey do.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Aazadan

This is absolute lunacy.

No matter what side of politics you fall on, there can be no justification for this pardon, nor for the crimes committed by Joe Arpaio while he was sheriff.

Well it appears the only justification needed is from the potus.
Unless you have a source for any other actual justification needed?

a reply to: shooterbrody

You and I understand the word "Justification" differently.

Lets be frank. Trump can do what he pleases currently, which is largely a result of the fact that he could do nearly anything right now, without worrying about his approval rating (because, simply put, there is no approval. 27% was one of the figures I heard bandied about the other day, which is as good as having no approval at all). What Trump can come up with, and what is a justification, are two different things.

There is a clue, within the word justification itself, as to what is meant by it. Look at the word.

JUSTification.

If you look up the definition, the word means "To declare something right or reasonable".

Trump has said and done a great many things, but not once has he ever actually successfully justified anything he has done. This would be no exception. Again, I am correct in asserting that no justification can be made for this action, because it is by its very nature, unjustifiable.

You could explain his thinking, he could announce his reasons for what he is doing, but they do not amount to a justification, unless the act itself can be considered to have been demonstrated as being right or reasonable. It is not right to pardon a man who is by his own admission guilty, nor is it reasonable to offer such an extension to a man whose actions violated the foundational principles upon which a nation is structured, the law of the nation, the explicit instructions of the highest courts in the land, and so on, and so forth.

Therefore, regardless of what Twittervomit Trump manages to spew about this, there cannot be a justification for it.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Therefore you have no source only your opinion.... Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution provides potus the only "justification" needed.
So in effect the voters gave potus the "justification" on Nov,8 2016.
Or do you have an issue with free elections now?

This is one of those cases where Sheriff Joe's case can set legal precedent.

In legal systems based on common law, a precedent, or authority, is a principle or rule established in a previous legal case that is either binding on or persuasive for a court or other tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.

This is why the case should run its course and only if Sheriff Joe loses would he need a pardon.

if Sheriff Joe wins his case it makes clear the power of Sheriffs across the US.

a reply to: ANNED

He already lost. We're just waiting on sentencing now.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

FYI...the North won

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ANNED

He already lost. We're just waiting on sentencing now.

but he has appealed the conviction and could win the appeal in a higher court and have his conviction overturned.

originally posted by: ANNED

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ANNED

He already lost. We're just waiting on sentencing now.

but he has appealed the conviction and could win the appeal in a higher court and have his conviction overturned.

On what grounds?

Anyways, he won't appeal it. Not only is the law pretty clear cut on this matter, so there's no gray area to appeal on. But, any appeal will take longer than the sentence. It's a travesty, but the MAXIMUM sentence he's eligible for is 6 months. Before it ever made it's way through the court system (the Supreme Court is the only place to appeal to) his sentence will be over with.

If it were up to me, I would give him life in prison, among the inmates he jailed, with no protective custody. But, he was never found guilty for the atrocities he committed, only for the fact that he targeted Mexicans, and even then he got away with it. He simply didn't stop when the courts told him to.

Friendly thread!

a reply to: shooterbrody

If the Sheriff had skewered six babies and put them on a spit, would your Presidents pardon be enough for you?

Where is your limit? What behaviour will you accept from this President, what behaviour will he have to engage in, to make you realise that having the power to do a thing, does not give him the right to do it?

a reply to: Aazadan

Yeah this is truly the worst part about the whole situation. He got a big time slap on the wrist for his actions and Trump wants to take away even THAT punishment.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Wait are you suggesting that some of the biggest pushers of the racist Obama birther conspiracy actually helped cover it up? Lol. I thought your continued belief in that load of horse# was outstanding but this took the taco.

The best part is how easy it ia too pass things by you, I have always noticed the close minded ones are by far the easiest too fool across the board.

They are so staunch in their beliefs they cannot even begin to consider they know nothing.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Aazadan

Yeah this is truly the worst part about the whole situation. He got a big time slap on the wrist for his actions and Trump wants to take away even THAT punishment.

Ya. I'm trying to not get worked up over it, because the actual effect of a pardon here is so minuscule. I even see a silver lining here in that a pardon involves Apraio admitting to being wrong/guilty and that it opens up a bunch of civil suits.

On the other hand, there's a lot of symbolism attached to this case. We're talking about a very short prison sentence for the atrocities this guy had a hand in, but pardoning it tells his supporters that the President has their back, and that it's ok to be racist when it comes to applying the law, inflict cruel and unusual punishment on prisoners, and waste millions in tax payer money on nonsense like the birther stuff (and Obama's not even in office anymore to top that off).

Perhaps if some of Trumps other actions had been different, I wouldn't even care about this. But between his violent rhetoric during the campaign, his historical support of Nazi's and white supremacists, and his reaction in Charlottesville, it's the sort of thing that just rubs me the wrong way.

a reply to: Aazadan

Joe was convicted of contempt of court. For trump to pardon him would be to show contempt for the Constitution.

It is done.

www.foxnews.com...

President Trump granted a presidential pardon to Joe Arpaio, former Sheriff of Maricopa County, Ariz., on Friday.

Lol. Trump supporters:

"The constitution is not up for debate! Trump protects our constitutional rights!"

*something happens in complete contradiction of the narrative*

"Joe is a good man protecting US citizens from illegals! Trump is right to do this!"

You've become a parody of yourselves.

originally posted by: defiythelie
a reply to: Aazadan

Joe was convicted of contempt of court. For trump to pardon him would be to show contempt for the Constitution.

No. He was really convicted for exposing Obama's fake birth certificate and contempt for the Constitution. And for fighting off the Globalist tyranny. Anyone who exposes the fraud will be harassed.

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: defiythelie
a reply to: Aazadan

Joe was convicted of contempt of court. For trump to pardon him would be to show contempt for the Constitution.

No. He was really convicted for exposing Obama's fake birth certificate and contempt for the Constitution. And for fighting off the Globalist tyranny. Anyone who exposes the fraud will be harassed.

I believe that is true.