White House has paperwork ready for Joe Arpaio pardon

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Aazadan

Trump has been undermining the court system since he was a candidate. He clearly has no respect for it. Plus he is most likely doing this to strike back at all the criticism for his words on Charlottesville. Though this is just going to make more people hate him, or hate him even more. Watch, when he signs this, it'll blow up in his face and he'll be battling yet another controversy he created because he doesn't think things through.

I know. Wake me up as soon as Trump reaches 212 pardons like Obama.

a reply to: Aazadan

Bush did it, Bill Clinton did it, Obama and now Trump. Face it. Laws are for the peon's to follow, not those in power.

That is the reality and we have let it happen and we're going to let it happen now.

So bend over and if you have some extra time make sure and lube up good because nobody is going to stop it today or ever. They will continue to break the law and get away with it while the People get worked over the coals and abused. That is our system now. In fact, that's been our system for a long time and it's only going to get worse because not a single one of us is going to do anything about it.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


Oh yea and crap. Don't expect to get a strait story about Joe it you haven't been keeping up. Hes going to be devil now no matter what.

originally posted by: Aazadan
It's a pardon for ignoring the authority of both federal and state governments.
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Well, at least Trump is consistent. He promised the

"deconstruction of the administrative state".

So, obviously, he isn't inclined to support the prior decisions of the same government he's trying to "de-construct".

originally posted by: SRPrime

originally posted by: Aazadan
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Looks like it's going to happen. Trump is going to pardon someone for ignoring the federal court system. Arpaio is guilty of contempt of court for running an illegal program, and continuing to run it after the courts stopped it. This is unique among pardons because it's not a pardon for committing a crime. It's a pardon for ignoring the authority of both federal and state governments.

I was hoping he wouldn't do this. In my mind, authority figures deserve even more scrutiny than anyone else, and I have zero tolerance for mistakes from people in authority (the ability to not screw up, is presumably why they're in charge afterall).

Instead, with this Trump is saying do as I do, not as I say. It totally undermines the court system.

Way to twist the story to support your narrative.

There is nothing unique about this pardon as the charge against him is Criminal Contempt of Court. That's a crime, it's not anything but a crime. Ignoring authority is illegal and is criminal, and that pardon is for the crime of contempt.

Not saying I agree with the pardon, that's irrespective of you outright lying in the original post.

What twisting? I think your reading comprehension needs work.

originally posted by: vonclod
Not surprising from a guy who not only wants the police to have free reign, but also encouraged them to assault suspects.

Don't forget about the part where he refused to investigate rape claims if the woman in question was hispanic.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Aazadan

Bush did it, Bill Clinton did it, Obama and now Trump. Face it. Laws are for the peon's to follow, not those in power.

That is the reality and we have let it happen and we're going to let it happen now.

So bend over and if you have some extra time make sure and lube up good because nobody is going to stop it today or ever. They will continue to break the law and get away with it while the People get worked over the coals and abused. That is our system now. In fact, that's been our system for a long time and it's only going to get worse because not a single one of us is going to do anything about it.

I have no issue with the concept of pardons in general, I think they're actually a good thing as far as checks and balances are considered. I do however have a problem with holding authority figures to a lower standard. If anything they should be held to a higher standard. If Arpaio broke the law as a private citizen, I most likely wouldn't care about the pardon. However, he was the sheriff, he took an oath, and he should be held to a higher standard.

The way I see it, is if the person tasked with enforcing the laws is incapable of adhering to the laws themselves then we have one of two situations:
1. The person shouldn't have that authority.
2. The law creates an unreasonable standard and should be removed.

Considerign most people believe in the concept of immigration, #2 isn't in play. That means the only conclusion is that Arpaio shouldn't have had his authority. Since he did, and he abused it however, he should face a far higher penalty than what a person who didn't have that authority would face for a similar level offense.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


Oh yea and crap. Don't expect to get a strait story about Joe it you haven't been keeping up. Hes going to be devil now no matter what.

He already was if you kept up with how he operated. Definitely should have been found guilty of cruel and unusual punishment in my opinon. I know he went up on trial for it a couple times. The courts sided with him though.

a reply to: Aazadan

Oh the court? Are you serious? His problem was that he bucked the feds goddamed open border emigration actions and exorcised some states right while the hyper political Washington DC was giving away the farm.

originally posted by: Aazadan

I have no issue with the concept of pardons in general, I think they're actually a good thing

Nope.

Every pardon is a message to the public, acknowledging that the system is corrupt, and that injustice is "the norm", and only by an act of the president can we restore justice for the individual in question.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I'll give this this, it was an interesting argument about contempt but a bit of a red herring. Arpaio wasn't in contempt of court for voicing his opinion of the judge.

From what I remember the ACLU sued on the premise that Arpaio was violating 14A. I would argue that like stop and frisk, it also violates the 4A as "you look illegal to me because you're brown" doesn't meet the standard of probable cause.

Now I seem to remember that in the run up to this AZ took the (afaik, unprecedented) step of enacting their own immigration law. Which is important because, under federal law, "unlawful presence" is civil offense. IIRC, SCOTUS ruled against AZ on provisions that allowed for warrantless arrest for suspicion of being unlawfully in the US.

So if anything here, you have AZ stepping on the toes of Congress and Arpaio being an "activist sheriff" who was trying to not only override the legislative branch but then the judicial as well which is ironic considering that you're accusing the judge of attempting to legislate from the bench.

And is Arpaio like a dirtbag anyway? Didn't his office destroy evidence? There was something else too that I remember being "wtf?" about. I'll think of it.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, he hired a private investigator to investigate the Judge's wife. The guy is just a PoS. He's was trampling Constitutional rights, overreaching his authority and in violation of a federal judge's orders. And did it intentionally.

Why are you defending this guy? It's not out of affinity for the Constitution or law & order, it's because he's an activist sheriff who has the favor of the anti-immigration folks.

a reply to: Aazadan

I totally agree. I think those in positions of power over others and those who are part of Law Enforcement should be watched the most and be more accountable than others because they can and do cause the most damage when hey break the laws.

But that is the opposite of what our system does. Face it. Those with power abuse those without it and have engineered the system to protect them when they do. The same goes with Law Enforcement.

There are more decent people in the world than evil people. But the evil ones are geared toward gaining power more than the good. It's just how it works. The only reason evil hasn't already conquered everything is because it's difficult for a few to take over the many. But they never give up and slowly have been gaining ground over the eons. They also fight with each other which hinders their control.

The meek shall inherent the earth.....My Ass.

a reply to: Aazadan

Since when does the U.S. Constitution favors illegal immigrants? Could you please point out where does the U.S. Constitution does that?... Not to mention, could someone give a link, not a far left wing link like CNN, that specifies what Arpaio did wrong?...

a reply to: Aazadanhe did not break law he was enforcing the laws already on books to try to stop cartels from over running his count after he begged for state and federal help and was told to get bent. barry ordered his judges ordered them to make example out of him because we all know barry is a petty son of a fill in the blank.

Exclusive: Sheriff Arpaio Tells Infowars How It Feels For Trump To Stand Beside Him

JUST IN:

No Pardon until after sentencing on October 5th.

Sources involved in the process tell CBS News that President Trump has been advised not to pardon former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio before he is sentenced for contempt.

AND

In response to a report by (FAKE NEWS) CNN that the documents for a pardon have already been completed by the White House, the sources vehemently denied any paperwork or supportive talking points have been prepared for an Arpaio pardon. The discussions, the sources said, have been lively, and Trump has been very involved.

Full Story: www.cbsnews.com...

I say whatever happens he gets a job in the administration. He is obvioussly not part of the deep state and is a tough as nails american patriot. 85 years old and still fighting corruption. That in itself puts him at legend status. Most by that age have been corrupted or killed. Joe is a warrior.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: vonclod
Not surprising from a guy who not only wants the police to have free reign, but also encouraged them to assault suspects.

Don't forget about the part where he refused to investigate rape claims if the woman in question was hispanic.

Yep, he Ignored Over 400 Sex Crimes

a reply to: Aazadan

This is absolute lunacy.

No matter what side of politics you fall on, there can be no justification for this pardon, nor for the crimes committed by Joe Arpaio while he was sheriff.

a reply to: agenda51

The man IS corrupt.

You cannot fight corruption unless your means and ends are both pure. His means were unjust and unconstitutional, which automatically means that whatever ends he thought he was working toward, are corrupt in and of themselves.