New Graham Hancock Archaeological Evidence of Advanced Civilizations

originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: FHomerK

its funny the responses in this thread almost all of which miss the mark on what was said. Some are focusing on Graham Hancock. Some on Ancient civilizations. Some on survival.

No Our CULTURE has no way of surviving. Only stories would remain and in one generation your kids are hearing about buildings and ekectricity without ever turning on a light. "Back in my day we were magic." basically.. That won't translate well to ywo or three generations.

The gods will be long dead by then.. Some notion of a Golden Age will remain. Some will tell stories of gods.

Anyway, can you imagine being reincarnated and finding some piece of a car in the jungle and having dejavu.. Like "I know what this is its an engine block."
but having no clue how you know this now you are a shaman or something haha..

I'm saying a country boy will survive anything short of a nuclear holocaust. There's very few of us that panic when the lights go out. We may not all be the professor from Gilligan's Island but most of us will get by.

Down here, we raise our own chickens for eggs, we can hunt, and we keep a garden every year. Lights go out, I won't be watching football but living off the land pretty much is our culture.

We need a Ats Q&A with Hancock.

a reply to: FissionSurplus

I too plan on retiring in Georgia,my friend from high school came across 12,000 acres in Jepson Ga,will be quite a challange being I grew up in the city by the beach,but my background in civil engineering,I look at it as a blank canvas,using solar power,hydro electric,and as far as communications,I know some people who knows some people who contract for intel,so can get bootleg internet,after 65 years of city life,time to start anew even though I hear it's quite humid for a few months,maybe meet a country lady more acclimated to life there,beats watching my state become a socialist state,getting to where you have to buy a permit to scratch your ass

a reply to: knoxie

Thank you for that description. That is all I need to know to get and read a copy of Entangled now for myself!

I have enjoyed his previous books.

Just FYI

Coincidentally I was visiting his website site yesterday.

It seems Mr Hancock has been very ill, read the 1st post here.

grahamhancock.com...

Speedy recovery my friend.

Did anyone listen to the Joe rogan podcast? with Hancock?.
I will link it later a good listen.

originally posted by: testingtesting
We need a Ats Q&A with Hancock.

No. No we don't. You're more likely to get legitimate or accurate and truthful answers from one of those Magic 8 balls with dead batteries. He mixes in just enough truth to his stories to keep the eager interested and hanging on his every word but there isn't much in the way of facts actually supporting his fanciful tales of civilizations which were so advanced in every way that we have yet to find a trace of them. He should stick to drinking Ayhuasca and defecating his knickers in the jungle.

originally posted by: Harte
On the one hand, he's right that if there was an apocalypse, we wouldn't survive as our current culture.
You'd have to be an idiot not to see that.

On the other hand, he only tells lies, mischaracterizations, and half truths when he tries to convince the chronically astonished that he has any evidence at all of ancient advanced but unknown civilizations.

On balance, then, he's basically a con man, though not as bad as several others I could name.

Harte

So having a point of view with which you disagree makes someone a conman, does it? Making empty accusations that someone lies or misrepresents an issue only reflects badly on the accuser when he fails to provide proof of his accusations.

originally posted by: Harte
It's a "how to" show, not a "watch me try not to die" show.

I've always wanted to pitch THAT show to a network. Haul a person (or several) who have no particular outdoor survival skills, out in the middle of nowhere and see what happens. Only intervene if they are on the very edge of dying. That might be mildly amusing for me to watch as I eat ice cream while lying on my comfy couch.

a reply to: FHomerK

watched it a few days ago

Good stuff

originally posted by: Harte
On the other hand, he only tells lies, mischaracterizations, and half truths when he tries to convince the chronically astonished that he has any evidence at all of ancient advanced but unknown civilizations.

Pretty much. It would be a lot of fun if he was right. But he has never, to my knowledge, ever come up with a single piece of evidence that verifies the existence of any such an ancient "advanced" civilization that could, say, build a flying machine but without simple things like small nuts and bolts. Of course, there are geniuses and savants that pop up occasionally in history who are able to do incredible things -- Imhotep, Leonardo DaVinci, Issac Newton, the dude who built the Antikythera Mechanism, etc. -- but it's not the same thing.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: FissionSurplus
... from there.....the roving gangs will go from place to place, stealing and killing.

I think they'll be killed as soon as they present themselves.

Personal to Harte: You so jealous.

Nah.
I already do enough roving from place to place, stealing and killing, to meet my needs.

Harte

originally posted by: micpsi

originally posted by: Harte
On the one hand, he's right that if there was an apocalypse, we wouldn't survive as our current culture.
You'd have to be an idiot not to see that.

On the other hand, he only tells lies, mischaracterizations, and half truths when he tries to convince the chronically astonished that he has any evidence at all of ancient advanced but unknown civilizations.

On balance, then, he's basically a con man, though not as bad as several others I could name.

Harte

So having a point of view with which you disagree makes someone a conman, does it?

Certainly not.
He is made a con man by the fact that he lies in his books. And sells those lies.
This is not an opinion. You can verify it yourself.
Check out what he has to say on "flash frozen mammoths" and the lid of Pakal's sarcophagus.
And when I say "check out," I mean actually check out the facts concerning these (and other) things.

Hancock first made the claim about Pakal years after Mayan had been deciphered. There is no other way to explain his claim other than it's a lie.

There never have been any "flash-frozen mammoths." Hancock cites a few cherry-picked facts from an 80 year old report and actually changes what was said to make it look like there had been some sort of instant freeze happening.
You can read the report he cited online these days. Nothing about flash freezing in it.

That's just from his "book" "Fingerprints of the Gods," a completely horrible miscarriage of word salad, non sequiturs and fabrications from an overexcited imagination.

originally posted by: micpsi
Making empty accusations that someone lies or misrepresents an issue only reflects badly on the accuser when he fails to provide proof of his accusations.

Nothing empty about it. It's not an accusation, it's a statement of fact.
You can easily find this out for yourself, but it appears that, for whatever personal reasons you might have, you prefer not to know you've been lied to.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: EveryUsernameWasTaken

I've watched atleast 100 episodes of Bear Grylls, I think I'll do just fine...

Watched a few times as he chokes down a single bug here and there

Not sure he would survive without the trailer full of helpers following him around and fixing his dinner after the bug scenes.

It's a "how to" show, not a "watch me try not to die" show.

Harte

Harte Hart har

a reply to: FHomerK

Hancock has some very interesting ideas! Reading his books can be slow, because he doesn't write in a style that's smooth for reading, but he does put forth some very interesting ideas, and talks a lot about old civilizations, and how they could have been far more advanced than is widely accepted.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: micpsi

originally posted by: Harte
On the one hand, he's right that if there was an apocalypse, we wouldn't survive as our current culture.
You'd have to be an idiot not to see that.

On the other hand, he only tells lies, mischaracterizations, and half truths when he tries to convince the chronically astonished that he has any evidence at all of ancient advanced but unknown civilizations.

On balance, then, he's basically a con man, though not as bad as several others I could name.

Harte

So having a point of view with which you disagree makes someone a conman, does it?

There never have been any "flash-frozen mammoths." Hancock cites a few cherry-picked facts from an 80 year old report and actually changes what was said to make it look like there had been some sort of instant freeze happening.
You can read the report he cited online these days. Nothing about flash freezing in it.

This one is one of my biggest pet peeves. And in the nature of full disclosure, I found it plausible when I first read about it in the 90's. The difference is that I didn't just take that at face value and run with it and a modicum of due diligence shows that the mammoth most widely attributed as flash frozen was one who passed away from injuries from falling into a crevice sometime in late autumn when the plants that were preserved within it mandible were still readily available even at the end of the LGM.

This is why Hancock irks me so much. He takes information that is easily debunked with 10 minutes of reader by and still presents it as fact because his adoring audience still eats up his every word as though its gospel truth and can Be bothered to fact check anything for themselves yet lose their collective minds of anyone points out Hancocks own shortcomings.

a reply to: FHomerK

Not so much we that has been arrogant but we should have been a people more "jealous" for our rights bet hell we are hardly taught the rights of man or any of the classic revolutionary thinking that came out of that day. Public schools are trash, supermarkets take place of the farm and who needs a needle to sew anymore. Got big education, Big pharma, big corp make every goddam thing for you.......so die already.

a reply to: FHomerK

Lots of us have survival skills. From veterans to hunters and fishermen which are all over my area. The people that would survive any "apocalyptic event", would first have to be lucky enough to be in an area that is not the epicenter of such an event. Second, those people who think they can survive by themselves, or with just their family, will quickly learn that is not what happens in a shtf scenario.

You have to be away from the big cities, but you also have to be in an area where there are doctors, specialists, dentists, etc. If you are a doctor and have a bunker, but you don't know how to treat an infection in your mouth, you will die. If you are a doctor, and your son/daughter is a dentist, but you don't know how to prepare/cook food, you won't survive long. It won't be enough with just being a cook. If you don't know how to sow and harvest wheat, and you don't know how to process the wheat, or other harvests you won't survive long.

Lots of people know how to plant, and harvest vegies like tomatoes, pears, apples, etc. But if you don't know how to hunt you won't survive long without any protein.

The people that will survive a shtf scenario are those who group with other survivors that have skills you lack.

As for the native people who have no contact with the modern world? If something major happens in their area, they might not survive.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: FHomerK

Lots of us have survival skills. From veterans to hunters and fishermen which are all over my area. The people that would survive any "apocalyptic event", would first have to be lucky enough to be in an area that is not the epicenter of such an event. Second, those people who think they can survive by themselves, or with just their family, will quickly learn that is not what happens in a shtf scenario.

You have to be away from the big cities, but you also have to be in an area where there are doctors, specialists, dentists, etc. If you are a doctor and have a bunker, but you don't know how to treat an infection in your mouth, you will die. If you are a doctor, and your son/daughter is a dentist, but you don't know how to prepare/cook food, you won't survive long. It won't be enough with just being a cook. If you don't know how to sow and harvest wheat, and you don't know how to process the wheat, or other harvests you won't survive long.

Lots of people know how to plant, and harvest vegies like tomatoes, pears, apples, etc. But if you don't know how to hunt you won't survive long without any protein.

The people that will survive a shtf scenario are those who group with other survivors that have skills you lack.

As for the native people who have no contact with the modern world? If something major happens in their area, they might not survive.

No time left....everyone will be pacified till the end.....post-event will be only mudflats.....nothing to hunt or eat...no Mad Max gangs to battle....no Bartertown....nothing.

You need groups of from 100-300 people to have a realistic chance to survive.

You need 2-5 years worth of food....and seeds.....and other supplies.

You need to be in the right place...period or all is for naught.

Put it this way....IF I knew where the only safe-spots on the planet were located.....it would take millions of dollars to fund a survival community....to insulate one single rich family.....so you see this is how deeply fooled everyone is.....even millionaires and billionaires will be left to drown.

If we started today and I had a blank cheque.....it would still logisticlly take several years to properly prepare....for a decent sized group......EVEN IF the person bankrolling everything just stayed silent and made no demands beyond their families inclusion......I would need a TEAM of people to pull things together.

The Survivors from last cycle are planning on being the Survivors of this coming cycle...if you arent already fully versed....you are not on the list ....you will be allowed to die.......soooooo....if you have the cash and an extra 5-10+ million to spare right now .....you should be looking for some help....now......forget about bug-out bags and slingshotting rabbits to survive.

Watch any of the TV shows like Survivor or Alone or Survivorman or any of them.....people begin to starve to death very very quickly and calories are extremely difficult to find in the forest under duress.Tender Bunnies and nice fat Fowl DO NOT ABOUND in the forests....time is always of the essence.

Try finding 2000 calories a day for yourself...then 2000 for each person you love.....many many many people who survive the earthquakes,fires,storms and floodwaters will die of exposure dehydration and starvation....in only short weeks.

One thing you will be sure to never hear from any of the many people screaming warnings is the safe locations...and WHY they are safe.

If you dont know where these spots are you are done like dinner....sooooooo....money cant buy love but it can buy information and knowledge is power......I know where to find the safe spots and why they are safe.....but no one is offering me the 5-10 million plus it will take to build a survival community in the right place and the right way.

Right now everyone should be meeting bi-monthly....all 100-300.....this is the type of bankroll we need here...paying for this type of stuff like accomodating travel ect for critical planning times when everyone must be on-board and working together.

We are talking about sourcing and delivering speciliased equipment from many different Industries.

If you arent in-situ 12-18 months before the event.....you might not be able to pull things together....very complicated plans have been made to limit movement pre-event ...so when panic sets in it is to late and there is no way out.

On top of all this...you are as dead as a doornail as we speak anyways....all preparations are truly for those who will carry the flame.....the youngest.....we discussing this are only torch-bearers for an extremely short time.....knowledge and language must be passed forward.....this is critical....soooo....books and teaching tools are needed......lol....lol...lol....I am bugging out as we speak and have nearly no resources.....but I do know where to be and when to be there and what to do.

I am preparing for people who are clueless....people I love who cannot break their conditioning.....I have been indoctrinating people in baby-steps for many years....but the time for talking is OVER NOW.....its time to run for the hills...time to show those you have been teaching that the time is short now and action is needed.I trust people will discover how to grind the grains and plant the seeds and use the tools and read the books.....the location is branded into all I love....and this is IMHO a massive accomplishment.

Good luck to all.

originally posted by: Harte
On the one hand, he's right that if there was an apocalypse, we wouldn't survive as our current culture.
You'd have to be an idiot not to see that.

On the other hand, he only tells lies, mischaracterizations, and half truths when he tries to convince the chronically astonished that he has any evidence at all of ancient advanced but unknown civilizations.

On balance, then, he's basically a con man, though not as bad as several others I could name.

Harte

And he's bad at modeling.

His scenario makes some romantically bad assumptions (the basis of every bad apocalyptic film and book around) = that every single group on Earth is either city-dwelling Americans or they're bush-dwelling primitives. He doesn't account for non-English speaking cultures (nor cultures like New Zealand.)

In his scenario, Earth is hit with the Great Stupidity Field where everyone walks outside and says "man, what just happened?" and then throws away all their tools and the bits and pieces of culture and technology (like, say, flush toilets) and it happens overnight.

So let's say the EMP took out the power grid everywhere. People would be upset, they'd be trying to figure out what was going on, they'd be trying to figure out how to save what food they have and how to get around and find out if friends and/or family are okay. We'd still have our tools and some of us would still report to work. Emergency services would regroup (and probably use bits and pieces from the "Zombie Apocalypse" scenario - municipalities and other agencies run disaster drills once every few years. "Zombie Apocalypse" was a recent one that they've been running.)

Globally it would take decades to get everything patched up, BUT, we would still have manuals, still have materials, still be able to fabricate things we need. We would still have libraries and hundreds of thousands of small home workshops (my husband has a one-man woodwork shop of his own.) In other countries where transportation and culture are different (Germany, for instance), the scenario would play out differently than in the US... as it would in countries that are mainly agricultural based.

Development would be slowed... if that happened, your flying car prototype will be delayed by decades. But we won't go back to knocking rocks together. There'll be new "how to" books, infrastructure changes (which could be good... a forced instant upgrade of the whole system) and many cultural changes.

But it's not going to knock us back to living in trees and fainting when we see sabertoothed cats.