Reincarnation is NOT possible and here's why....

a reply to: StallionDuck

Neither of those speak of reincarnation. At best, it's only open to such if you try to interpret it that way but it's not referring to reincarnation in the sense that we come back to earth multiple times in multiple bodies.

I never said that. But, according to early Christian Father Origen, bodies arise from time to time out of necessity of spiritual growth.

"It can be shown that an incorporeal and reasonable being has life in itself independently of the body... then it is beyond a doubt bodies are only of secondary importance and arise from time to time to meet the varying conditions of reasonable creatures. Those who require bodies are clothed with them, and contrariwise, when fallen souls have lifted themselves up to better things their bodies are once more annihilated. They are ever vanishing and ever reappearing."
quoteaddicts.com...

John was Elijah in the sense that he had the same qualities. He had the same role. It wasn't the same person.

That's not what scripture says. That's your tortured logic to deny a simple statement. Reincarnation was part and parcel to the teaching of Jesus, otherwise the disciples wouldn't have asked Jesus this:
John 9:2
His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?".

If reincarnation was not considered to be a reality there would be no need to ask Jesus this question.

Being born again is being reborn in the spirit...

Again, that's not what Jesus said. Jesus didn't say that a "spirit" born of the flesh must be reborn to pure spirit. He said:
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Therefore, it is written that dirty sweaty sexual intercourse does not give rise to spirit. Spirit gives rise to spirit, and according tot eh Bible, "spirit" comes from the breath of God. The spirit enters the body at first breath. That's biblical baby!

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
I don't mean to sound like a downer, but these takes on reincarnation are extremely 2 dimensional and uninspired.

It doesn't matter what you believe about reincarnation, it's the very nature of the universe. You've realized this many times between lives already.

It is the Nature of a DISEASED Universe...one in which the Mother now refuses to allow its Creation to grow up.

She loves cycles...and fears not reliving EVERYTHING endlessly.

The mother must be forgiven for abandoning us all.

Irregardless the cycles will end..for even she realizes the utter futility of cycles as a teacher.

Reimcarnation stopped teaching over 2 million years ago...all of this now is pure hell and backstepping.

This changes THIS LIFETIME, the original children have caught up, to fleeing mother.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Don't even have to read it... the title says it all..

Dare ye put limits on God?

lol... Good luck with that

Reincarnation has nothing to do with God. If reincarnation was something God AND his many prophets would have spoken up and been clear on its teachings.....right rabbi?

It does however have to do with the dark side.

Now on the other side resurrection is often spoken about.....

It has EVERYTHING to do with God, no prophets access the truth on THIS PLANE, or any other plane.

It is why they fail their missions entirely, everytime, it is why the world got no better in any way even with Jesus arrival.

It is why fools worship a guy noone believed was God, a guy that was homeless and scorned by all but the street people.

A guy that turned the other cheek and got brutalized for it and not even respect from his own kin.

Now you gonna claim he is God while ignoring his pleas?

Sword of truth in mouth means serious FIREPOWER, and an unwillingness to allow ANYTHING to get in the path of ending ALL THINGS HOW THEY ARE NOW.

Judgement means full exposure to truth, irregardless of people's feelings...REVELATION of TRUTH means likely everything you know is only partially true.

And that goes for EVERYONE, including deluded damaged Gods.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I agree but there are fact's, past life regression, memory's when you come to strange places were you have never been but you know intimate detail's that only a local would.

But I can explain *one event when I was very small as what I believe to have been an external spirit trying to latch onto me or to take me over and live my life in my place, other memory's that I would call post death and one of actually being killed may be simply passing spirit's or spiritual parasite's.

My own interpretation is that we have both a soul and a spirit, our soul is from God the spirit may be some kind of other thing (not necessarily of the devil) and we may also be exposed to a parasitic like spirit's, it may also be symbiotic but it is not us, it/they can influence us and then of course there is the Devil, the deceiver and liar that can put thought's that should not be there into people's mind's and is at war with the beneficial spirit's that may actually serve God.

So I think both are actually real, Reincarnation has a reality to it but is it us or something else, a parasite or symbiotic of some kind as I say.

But Jesus did say this, it is given for a man (or woman he said there is no difference in the resurrection between a man and a woman and that we shall have NEW body's like the angels) to be Born once then to die and then the resurrection.

Also maybe more people than have past life memories have had NDE's or similar in which they have met there ancestor's and in some cases even some ancestor's or relative's whom lived long before they were born whom they do not know but upon describing them there other relative's are shocked and know them so they did not reincarnated and hence that form of Soul does not and that is of course our REAL soul the soul that was given to us by the breath of God (most of those describe it in a context involving Christ or heaven).

My take on it is this, reincarnation is another external spirit not necessarily evil but more open to being used by evil and our soul is our actual self - they are not the same thing.

When Jesus explained the resurrection to the men whom were trying to trip him up with the story of the woman whom married all of those brother's one after another he explained that we are not married in the resurrection or given or taken in marriage and we have a new spiritual (Celestial) body so not re-incarnated back onto this earth in another person which itself would be death of the former identity in an absolute context and that we become like the Angels', it is another life more perfect than this one.

Now Hindu's and Buddhist's do believe in Reincarnation but they believe that live on this earth is a bad thing and that they have to pay for there past wrong's in each successive life, there is no Karma with Christ he has paid for our wrongdoing's and saved us but they believe they have to come back to suffer in this world until they reach a state of perfection and there soul has paid off it's crime's and can then rejoin there concept of God once it is perfected/purified of past Karma, past identity.

Personally I do absolutely believe our Lord Jesus.




* I was about 2 and a half and my mother had a blue British Leyland Mini, she was driving to see her friend in the town of Huyton now in Merseyside, I had never been in the town before never mind the fact I was only two and a half, now back then there were no seatbelts' in the back of those old cars, this was 1972, I stood up on the back seat and started claiming to be a guy called John, I pointed out landmarks, two before we even came to them one being a shop and the other being John's old public house were he would while away his afternoon's with a pint of ale.
I had vivid clear memories of being this john, of seeing only a few old fashioned cars on the street and non driving, of walking with a cane and wearing a cloth cap, thread bare pant's and jacket with holes in my worn out shoes and being a small guy probably only about five foot tall, of being well known and even of those Good day John and Afternoon John greeting's but as we passed through that place and got away from it the memories vanished, I or John tried to keep hold of them but to no avail and now I recognize it for what it was, I was an unformed child and this was a spirit from outside myself that tried to make me it's host and thankfully failed, he was by no mean's a bad person just a common poor old man but he was not me and my body was not his so he or it was actually very wrong in what it attempted to do, I remember this event and my mother tell's me the hair on the back of her neck stood on end when I started to talk like that in the back of the car, far from the only strange experience of my life but definitely worth noting, was it possession, is reincarnation really possession and if so does it harm the soul of the possessed, I think it does and is but of course others will disagree.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Don't even have to read it... the title says it all..

Dare ye put limits on God?

lol... Good luck with that

Reincarnation has nothing to do with God. If reincarnation was something God AND his many prophets would have spoken up and been clear on its teachings.....right rabbi?

It does however have to do with the dark side.

kinda like the trinity... or Jesus being God?

And by the way Jesus spoke of reincarnation...

He spoke of ending it..but his ever arguing parents will not listen...they are in shock...PTSD of the highest level...so Lucifer must take place...the Redside is strong after this last stint in Hell.

Also If Jesus does come back wouldn't that mean he was reincarnated?.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Okay, you find my viewpoint boring.... no problem. However, you say "I can do what i wish...in any form."

You can??? It sounds like you are stating that you can change forms every 5 minutes? What you mean by form? What is that "everything"? Explain more, please, or I'll just keep to my old boring viewpoint.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
I don't mean to sound like a downer, but these takes on reincarnation are extremely 2 dimensional and uninspired.

It doesn't matter what you believe about reincarnation, it's the very nature of the universe. You've realized this many times between lives already.

It is the Nature of a DISEASED Universe...one in which the Mother now refuses to allow its Creation to grow up.

She loves cycles...and fears not reliving EVERYTHING endlessly.

The mother must be forgiven for abandoning us all.

Irregardless the cycles will end..for even she realizes the utter futility of cycles as a teacher.

Reimcarnation stopped teaching over 2 million years ago...all of this now is pure hell and backstepping.

This changes THIS LIFETIME, the original children have caught up, to fleeing mother.

To insist that our universe is "diseased" means that you're missing huge chunks of this puzzle. And I feel for you.

However, between lives I hope you read what you posted and enjoy a good laugh!

a reply to: violet

Even if we assume that only souls on earth get reborn on earth then population increase can be explained with population decrease in other species. Animals also have souls.

Then we have the other story where this place is used as a school with trillions of souls needing to evolve and our population growth taking souls from the lower levels.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

The only people who definitively know what happens to us when we die, are already dead.

Reincarnation and resurrection are both the complete blindness of confirmation biased concepts because they are based on assumptions that cannot be known.However what is known is how humans are conceived.

A spermatozoon cell makes it way up the fallopian tube to fuse with an ovum.If all the necessary processes are achieved these 2 cells become “one” called a zygote(the root word which means marriage).The zygote then goes into mitosis to begin the formation of body parts called an embryo and until it is fully formed fetus which is then delivered(the meaning of salvation) from the life in the womb of it’s mother.

It is only reasonable that this process could be a shadow of the ultimate conception” to Life that is going on.The physical realm universe is the valley of the shadows of death.There is nothing of the ultimate conception that can be known by those in it because it is “outside” of human perception(metaphysics) however all the signs of it existing are there(our human physical conception) and everything else that lives in the physical universe.

The bottom line is EVERYTHING that was alive in the physical universe dies.It does not reincarnate into another body like the one that died.It cells scatter and are mostly inert and a very small percentage contributes to another completely different form of life.The ancients did not know this as fact but observed the process and extrapolated it into reincarnation and or resurrection. That is where these concepts were born of.All the observation and speculation of human reincarnation and resurrection are born of false perceptions and are not based in logic.

It should be empirically obvious if reincarnation and resurrection were true they could not be understood consciously just as when you were being conceived you had no consciousness at all (or contribution) of your “growth”.Therefore if resurrection and reincarnation are true they are nothing like the process humans perceive them as(regardless of religious beliefs about both).The falsity that you get ”better” as you reincarnate is implicitly obvious just by observation of the human condition.The bottom line is if humans resurrect or reincarnate has NOTHING to do with what you believe.

Beliefs in reincarnation and resurrection are just as false as a multitude of the ancients beliefs of many things that have been proven false.If humans are in a stage of conception they had NOTHING to do with that conceptions and can do nothing about their “forming” in the womb and their deliverance (salvation).My suggestion is to enjoy the trip of this life as much as possible and deny the ignorance of your own Belief System false perceptions and your life(and others) will be much more joyful.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

What about resincarnation or reincurrection?



But seriously, we know very little about 'the spirit'.

In 'The Revelation of Jesus Christ' it describes a unified humanity as a single entity, the bride of Christ. So clearly the spirit realm does not conform to the physical.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

You make an absolute statement (viz it is not possible to reincarnate) with out providing quantitative proof (or qualitative for that matter). You appear to be stuck in the Abrahamic paradigm.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed
Well I didn't think about that.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

One thing I don't understand is the great divide between people who believe in it and those who don't. The believers get so defensive about someone saying they don't believe, so what?


Back to your biblical reasons though. Except that's another thing that pisses people off.

The idea you get reincarnated means there is no judgement when we die, we are put into another body. So you may as well misbehave all you want to. Why have morals, just murder and steal if you feel like it, and so on. So to a person of faith it simply isn't reasonable or acceptable. It goes against everything you've been trying to believe.
The idea you can have a seance, psychic reading etc and contact sprits is another example of the deceased not heading straight off to be judged, like they are hanging around in some middle zone entertaining people in seances or Having a laugh haunting houses etc.


The fact is none of us really know what happens when we die.
To some I'm a fool who thinks I'm going to be judged, a fool who should have done some really bad things and had more fun (if that's fun?) . Perhaps they are the silly fools banking on another incarnation? Again it makes no sense to get excited about that since they aren't really gonna know they are getting a do-over.

People can believe what they want, as can I, as can you.

Ok, so I am Jesus? This is old news . . . I am also Buddha, but who's really counting? Anyways, I thought you were going to enlighten us, not bore us. Good day.

So when looking at all the posts so far:

There is no devil.

There is no hell.

There is no God.

There is a God but no devil.

There is no such thing as demons but reincarnation is real (many agreed with starring this reply).

There is reincarnation.

There is resurrection.

There is no reincarnation or resurrection.

We don't know what is on the other side.....

All of these opinions..... and yet not ONE had a time of death called by a doctor at the time of your official death and yet you say "we don't know what is n the other side", yet millions have died and returned and written books and documentaries on this stuff (around the world) centuries of stories handed down in tribes, but YET since it has not happened to YOU because you are so special...... what others have to say is irrelevant and nonsense because YOU have not experienced it ....... OK you can think this way. If you want to ignore FACTS (information shared among NDE patients - look it up yourself) to see the consistency gathered from ALL cultures and religions - NDE only .... no dreams or comas.

Its the supernatural..... something I see everyone here limiting by denying parts of the supernatural that YOU do not like because it scares you or because what you reject is true based on YOU.

YOU think YOU are in control of YOU.....isn't that cute.

I have studied various religions and cults for most of my life. I have over 25 years study and experience in investigations into supernatural realms. I train paranormal investigators. I am part of the Order of Exorcists.

Many do not believe in spirits but I tell this ....... all religions and tribes AROUND the world do believe in some spiritual entity and have made many non believers into believers......by seeing for themselves BUT when you do find the TRUTH you become faced with reality and how YOU have been living a lie and now the changes YOU are required to make in your life are either too hard or you simply REFUSE to change though down deep you know what the truth is.

Continue to lie to yourself and one day you will believe in it. This of course goes both ways - the difference being? I am open to hear what you have to say but when YOU start off with saying this and this is not true and then go into your thought process......STOP..... you have already LIMITED the topic by setting the rules....what is real and what is not real... BASED on what you have NOT seen and books from phycologists and other mental health professionals with your mind set.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

So you are a fraud who preys on the mentally unwell gotcha.

originally posted by: JDeLattre89
Ok, so I am Jesus? This is old news . . . I am also Buddha, but who's really counting? Anyways, I thought you were going to enlighten us, not bore us. Good day.

Rest assured you are NOT Jesus and whoever told you this is in error.

I am not Jesus, I am not Buddha and I am counting.....It's only me......me and my shadow.

Someone who wears blinders can not be enlightened.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: DeathSlayer

So you are a fraud who preys on the mentally unwell gotcha.

What an ignorant response.

Stop trolling.