Should Christians Support Trump?

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

I feel christians should evoke self immolation in protest...

Only after you. W e have to be polite and let everyone else go first.

a reply to: yuppa

Excuse me,but turn the other cheek is for NON life threatening situations alone

What did Jesus do when his life was at risk?

originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist

Mark my words. So should a Christian support Trump?! When the choice is a liberal, anti-gun, pro-choice, lifelong politician.... YES YES YES

Im sorry, but I chuckle every time a "christian" says anti gun is against their values.

you can be pro 2nd amendment and still be anti guns in general. I think Jesus would tell ya you dont need the gun. You know.. other cheek and all....

Turn the other cheek is not a call to pacifism. It is not saying if someone breaks in to your house you can't defend yourself, it is saying you should not go looking for revenge.

The 2nd does not give you the right to go hunt down the robber and kill him. So there is no problem between them.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: yuppa

Excuse me,but turn the other cheek is for NON life threatening situations alone

What did Jesus do when his life was at risk?

Completely different, his life was never actually at risk, him dying was the plan all along.

What did Jesus do at the Temple .. he drove the people from His house.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

What did Jesus do at the Temple .. he drove the people from His house.

So, it's okay for Christians to use guns/weapons to drive "money changers" from their churches?

Jesus is supposed to be an example, right? Jesus didn't use weapons defend his own life. He never advocated that you do so. In fact, he supposedly said: Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

And, If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone takes your cloak, do not withhold your tunic as well. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what is yours, do not demand it back.

Completely different, his life was never actually at risk, him dying was the plan all along.

As a Christian, is your life ever "really" at risk? Aren't you destined to die, all along, too?

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist

One of my black friends (maybe former friend) called me a racist for voting for Trump... hard to be when my wife is black, half my family is black and future children... half black. But that is what the left is great at doing... shouting racist at every turn...

That's the thing. Your wife isn't black. She's "mixed." That's what is referred to by some as "light skinned black" or "mulatto".

So, your black friends don't consider you marrying a light skinned black as any validation of being non-racist, since within the black community itself, there's this tension between light skin and dark skin blacks.

originally posted by: windword

So, it's okay for Christians to use guns/weapons to drive "money changers" from their churches?

That's His house, we have the right to defend ours.

Jesus is supposed to be an example, right? Jesus didn't use weapons defend his own life. He never advocated that you do so. In fact, he supposedly said: Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

Jesus' death was the plan. Like I said, not analogous at all, and that verse has what to do with this?

And, If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone takes your cloak, do not withhold your tunic as well. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what is yours, do not demand it back.

I missed the part where he says "If a man wants to rape your wife and kill your child offer him your brother to kill too".

As a Christian, is your life ever "really" at risk? Aren't you destined to die, all along, too?

Jesus was not destined to die 'someday' .. he was destined to die THAT day as a sacrifice. Are you saying by my dying I am a sacrifice like Jesus freeing people from sin so I should let myself be killed? Unless you are saying I am like Jesus I don't know what your point is bringing Him into the topic.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That's His house, we have the right to defend ours.

Really, "Stand You Ground" is biblical now? That's how you interpret Jesus chasing greedy money traders out of the temple? Okay, to each his own.

Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
Jesus' death was the plan. Like I said, not analogous at all, and that verse has what to do with this?

BS! You days are numbered as well, as planned!

I missed the part where he says "If a man wants to rape your wife and kill your child offer him your brother to kill too".

I missed that part where Jesus addresses fighting a war at all. As a matter of fact, he says to run, reminiscent of the Passover flight, don't even go home to get your stuff, just run!

2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
...............
 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.

But hey, Christians are always coming up with excuses not to follow Jesus' example or his teachings, so, no surprise coming from you or others like you in this thread.

originally posted by: windword
I missed that part where Jesus addresses fighting a war at all. As a matter of fact, he says to run, reminiscent of the Passover flight, don't even go home to get your stuff, just run!

What does that have to do with someone breaking into your house and about to rape your wife and murder your children?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


Why do you think Jesus warned the resident of Judea to run? How many Roman soldiers were killed at Masada?

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

I feel christians should evoke self immolation in protest...

You misspelled "provoke."

a reply to: StandingTallForChrist
Christians shouldn't even vote because:

Philippians 3:18 For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, as the enemies of the cross of Christ, 19whose end is destruction, whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who think about earthly things. 20For our citizenship is in heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21who will change the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of his glory, according to the working by which he is able even to subject all things to himself.

If Christians are citizens of heaven then ...

Oh, wait! That was before Reagan and the Moral Majority. Never mind then.

If they are real Christians that actually read the bible and follow the teaching of Jesus, then no, they shouldn't be anywhere near the Pumpkin-Satan.

However, if they are Christians of the type that are more into following the teachings and example of the Pharisees, the Sadducee, Romans, by all means, Trumps the savior you deserve.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest


The very fact that Trump held up a Bible and claimed to be a Christian should send chills into every Christian's heart. The fact that Trump announced that he's never "repented" to God for anything, because he's never done anything wrong, should be enough for every Christian to denounce him a lying fraud, a wolf in sheep's clothing, outright!

If the OP thinks they can force God's hand to hasten the "2nd Coming", they are of "little faith". If the OP thinks they have to force what they think are Christian values and behavior on people, like forced births and oppressed sexuality, then they're not doing Christianity right!

Christianity is about being one with Christ, and Christ is NOT of this world. If it were not true, he would have told us so!

You're absolutely right, and sadly most Christians have hardened their hearts to Christ, so they replace Him with worldly elements as a spiritually disfunctional defense mechanism.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

So who would the real Christian have voted for and why?

a reply to: mOjOm

And when the police come to arrest me I will not use a sword. When a man breaks into my house to rape my wife he will die.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: OccamsRazor04


Why do you think Jesus warned the resident of Judea to run? How many Roman soldiers were killed at Masada?

What does that have to do with a man breaking into your home to rape your wife and murder your children?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: OccamsRazor04


Why do you think Jesus warned the resident of Judea to run? How many Roman soldiers were killed at Masada?

What does that have to do with a man breaking into your home to rape your wife and murder your children?

Roman soldiers were doing that all the time. Jesus never advocated fighting Roman soldier.

Jesus, if he existed, was a spiritual leader, not the head of some militia. Jesus' teachings were concerning faith, treating your fellow humans with kindness, understanding, and if their demands were unfair, to just give them what they wanted, anyway. If you find yourself unwelcome, leave. If your life is being threatened, run.

Jesus never justified taking another life for ones' own, or one's own family's preservation. The Old Testament does that just fine on that subject. And remember, Jesus said "not one jot of the law" should change, till Heaven and Earth pass away.

originally posted by: windword
Roman soldiers were doing that all the time. Jesus never advocated fighting Roman soldier.

Nothing you posted had anything to do with this. And Roman soldiers are not equivalent to a murdering rapist thief. You have yet to post a single verse supporting your theory that Jesus taught to let a man rape and murder your family.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


I posted more than a single verse. You're argument is due to your own fear that "God" will not protect you and yours, so you think you need to be prepared to kill your enemy, so Jesus MUST have taught it!

Sorry, that isn't what Jesus taught. That's so OLD TESTAMENT!

For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.”

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times!…

Christianity it hard!

Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[e] have for his servant?”

15 The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.

It's kinda hard to fight a war barefoot.