Charlottesville Driver Innocent?

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: KnoxMSP

Yeah. The evidence is all over. He drove down the street which was practically empty for a ways until he hit that crowd. Then when he backs up and goes up the same street in reverse you can see it's empty. No people with bats there that he could have been running from in the first place. The road from which he came was void of people with bats and spears.

I mean he literally is driving into a crowd that is walking away from where he started at the top of the road. They had their backs to him and were walking about a block ahead of him.

It doesn't take Columbo to figure it out man. Sure there is some small degree of speculation within some details but the overall situation doesn't change no matter what direction you look at it from. All evidence points to him simply charging his vehicle into the crowd.

Stop trying to blame the MSM also. Most of the videos are from cell phones and regular people that were recording this who aren't part of the media. Stop trying to blame "FAKE NEWS" or the MSM and all that stupid sh*t you've been convinced is some giant conspiracy of evil. FFS, wake yourself up. You're being played by all that BS. You've got yourself convinced that fringe sources that you agree with must be correct and other sources are lying to you. You'd be better off not trusting any source at all than trusting some Facebook Researcher or blog poster as if they are actually telling you the truth. If you don't trust the MSM why would you trust them either???

I blame the media because yesterday I actually first hand witnessed media manipulation happen for the first time.

Sunday I saw a cellphone video of the grey Challenger surrounded by 8-12 antifa thugs, with sticks/spears surrounding his car, and now it has dissappeared.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

Really???

Amazing that such a significant and unique video showing that is now gone and we just have to take your word for it now.

Because such a video would be a one of kind thing that somehow would show something other than the multiple videos from various sources and angles which are available.

Could it be that perhaps that video that you allegedly saw was removed because it was found to be faked or manipulated and there pulled by the same people who made it??? Surely that would explain why it's not being posted somewhere else by the people who shot it.

Or that the video showed people attacking his car AFTER he had plowed into the crowd??

Or maybe you're mistaken.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

No the burden of proof is on you....you are stating it happened.
You say there is a video well produce it you first mentioned it I asked for the video If you can't produce it well sorry but you are the only person mentioning this video so nope it is up to you to prove it even exists.
My guess is you are making stuff up.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: KnoxMSP

Really???

Amazing that such a significant and unique video showing that is now gone and we just have to take your word for it now.

Because such a video would be a one of kind thing that somehow would show something other than the multiple videos from various sources and angles which are available.

Could it be that perhaps that video that you allegedly saw was removed because it was found to be faked or manipulated and there pulled by the same people who made it??? Surely that would explain why it's not being posted somewhere else by the people who shot it.

Or that the video showed people attacking his car AFTER he had plowed into the crowd??

Or maybe you're mistaken.

I wish that were the case, I really do. But the thing is, I dont care if anyone believes me. I hesitated to even post on this because I knew it would go like this, but I posted anyways, because I dont care if you believe me. I want the truth out there.

Now what happened was awful. I disagree with both sides. I have never felt more disenfranchised in my 35yrs here on this earth. I really, truly believe that if you sat these unreasonable people down one by one, and told them the truth, told them why your feeling the emotions you are, and their thoughts and feelings were exposed to each other, they would all agree a lot more than they think.

This country is awesome, and they are ALL ruining it.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

I'm not saying you're lying.

I'm saying that the video was either faked or simply showing his car being hit after he plowed into the crowd. Because as he's driving down toward the crowd his car shows no evidence of being attacked. However there is video of people attacking his car AFTER he has plowed through the crowd and before he backs up down an empty street.

If he was attacked there would have been signs of attack before he hit the crowd.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: KnoxMSP

I'm not saying you're lying.

I'm saying that the video was either faked or simply showing his car being hit after he plowed into the crowd. Because as he's driving down toward the crowd his car shows no evidence of being attacked. However there is video of people attacking his car AFTER he has plowed through the crowd and before he backs up down an empty street.

If he was attacked there would have been signs of attack before he hit the crowd.

It was before, because it shows him speeding off down the road and hitting the crowd. It is from approximately 3 block back, right before he guns it. Theres a light crowd, maybe 10-12 people walking down towards the protesters on the sidewalk. Then there a group of about 8-12 antifa/masked men surrounding his car.

Like I said, you all are saying you know he wasnt attacked. I say he was. So one of has to provide evidence. Since neither of us can, then neither of us can prove our position. Can we agree on that?

originally posted by: mOjOm.

Btw just got home to the PC, so now that I can see it, I have to say I love your sig, lol.

a reply to: Edumakated
'RIP' Heather Heyer




JUST STRAIGHT TO #ING POINT HUH! NO 'RIP' TO THE WOMAN THAT DIED IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE YOU KIDDING ME, YOU OPPORTUNIST.

I'm just going to wake up... pull a bunch of violent incidents of black people up TO justify what happened yesterday...no rest in peace, no nothing, just nothing, I JUST WANT TO GET MY RACIST POINT OFF FOR SOME STARS.You're really sad, you people are really ungodly on this site.

yea yea yea i know right wing mods.Moved for thread drift political baiting and one out the 100,000,000 rules that fit this site for the right.duly noted!

originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527

JUST STRAIGHT TO #ING POINT HUH! NO 'RIP' TO THE WOMAN THAT DIED IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE YOU KIDDING ME, YOU OPPORTUNIST.

I'm just going to wake up... pull a bunch of violent incidents of black people up TO justify what happened yesterday...no rest in peace, no nothing, just nothing, I JUST WANT TO GET MY RACIST POINT OFF FOR SOME STARS.You're really sad, you people are really ungodly on this site.

yea yea yea i know right wing mods.Moved for thread drift political baiting and one out the 100,000,000 rules that fit this site for the right.duly noted!

Thats really what you got from this discussion? Very strange days.

So produce the video.

But nobody has any reason to believe such a thing exists simply because you claim it to be.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: KnoxMSP

No the burden of proof is on you....you are stating it happened.

My guess is you are making stuff up.

Wrong. You say he wasnt attacked. Show me proof. Do you have footage of the previous minute to two minutes before he came screaming down the road? No, so how can you claim to know what happened?

originally posted by: mOjOm
So produce the video.

But nobody has any reason to believe such a thing exists simply because you claim it to be.

Are you not reading my posts? Don't be obtuse. Prove me wrong. Show me proof he wasnt being attacked before he accelerated.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

You can't prove a negative. He's not being attacked. There is nothing at all suggesting that he's being attacked. Just you making that claim.

His car is just fine up until the point where he plow into the crowd. At that point it gets attacked and then you see damage.

If he was being attacked before then where is the damage??? The street he reverses down after hitting the people is empty. No mob of attackers. Nothing.

How do I prove something didn't happen that never happened??? Think about it.

Prove he wasn't beating the crap out of little babies before getting in his car and charging this crowd. Oh, you can't. Well then, obviously he must have beating babies then I guess because you can't show otherwise. Who cares about the fact that it sounds completely ridiculous and there is no reason to believe such a thing. Do you understand???

You on the other hand are making a positive claim of something happening. It is possible to prove something that did happen. So prove it. Or stop acting like we're equal with what we're each saying. We are not.

"Innocent"? LoLz! That's for a court to decide.

He is a definite dumbass though. However, just because he is a certified racist dumbass doesn't mean he intended to kill anyone or that it was a hate crime or domestic terror. And plenty of idiots flee the scene of a vehicular homicide so that doesn't imply anything either.

I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law but I also hope he gets a kick ass attorney to protect him from being unduly scapegoated by the zeitgeist.

www.liveleak.com...

and it starts to come out

a reply to: KnoxMSP

That doesn't show anything at all.

It's the same video we've all seen a hundred times.

Just admit you're wrong FFS. It's ok to be wrong. It's not ok to continue to lie and make a fool of yourself because your ego can't handle it though.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: KnoxMSP

That doesn't show anything at all.

It's the same video we've all seen a hundred times.

Just admit you're wrong FFS. It's ok to be wrong. It's not ok to continue to lie and make a fool of yourself because your ego can't handle it though.

My ego? Seriously? Like I said your opinion means naught to me. You will see. Like I said, you cant currently prove your position any better than I can. So...

a reply to: KnoxMSP

Again it isn't up to me to prove anything you have said he was attacked beforehand it is up to you to show us.
If you can't understand this basic concept there really is no point conversing because I'm wasting my time.

a reply to: mOjOm
The video clearly shows your assertion the car was not attacked and the street was devoid of people prior to car ploughing into the mob as false.

So when it is determined in the courts that this was not malicious intent and truly was an accident...will you accept it? or will it cause some of you to go farther over the edge?