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originally posted by: VigiliaProcuratio
My point here is that the island was home to the Minoan people in 1500 BC, and across the water the Egyptian Dynasties were long established and very powerful. That is, they were at that time two different civilisations. This isn’t to say that the Ancient Egyptians didn’t originate on the Greek or Cypriot islands and at some point colonised North Africa, particularly the northernmost parts of Nile, but I guess that’s like suggesting the Greeks built the pyramids and we simply don’t have any substantial evidence of this. As to what the real truth is, who knows?
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originally posted by: dragonridr
What are you talking about they do know how the pyramid was built. The only people that thi k it's a mystery Is the people that go to those alien sites.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: WeRpeons
Granite blocks weighing Sixty to 100 ton and how they are precisely cut, is evidence enough for me that these structures were not built by ancient man. Either the technology to move such weight and cut these blocks were given to ancient man from an extraterrestrial source or ancient Egyptians were not of human origin.
All the tools are in museums in Egypt, the quarries the stone was cut from and the connecting roads they hauled the blocks on, plus all the hieroglyphs depicting construction methods, let alone the stone masons marks on unfinished blocks, are in plain sight for anyone to see.
But is easer though, to create Alien mysteries, isn't it?
Helps paint the ancient world as primitive, more primitive due to evolution and bigotry ,if not outright racist views.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
I think what you mean to say is that they have a plausible hypothesis. Knowing something, and having a plausible hypothesis are two different things. It's not even a very plausible hypothesis. Certainly not backed up to the point where the book is closed on it.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Is it impossible that they built using copper tools? No.
Is it plausible that they did so? No. Not with just 10,000 or workers over 50 or so years. It would take thousands of years to lay that many large stones, no matter what workforce you had.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
The problem the copper tools theory doesn't address is time. You can't lay that many huge stones at the speed specified, no matter how many workers you have.
It's a space issue. Use too many, and they'll be tripping over one another. Use too few and you'll be waiting thousands of years to finish.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
There is no way they were rushing those stones up the ramps, all hustle, speed and hurrying to make each day's 100+ stone quota, to make a 50 year deadline. In the first place, you can't sustain that kind of urgency for a full decade straight.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
In the second place, we have to ask: where did the skill come from? Just sprung into existence? There were no schools? No practice runs? No other similar projects with less urgency (such as aquifers for irrigation, or rich people's homes)
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Harte
The Site may actually have had significance prior to Seti the first reign and if it was for example and it is also of Note that Seti named after Set the arch enemy of Osiris would have happily therefore re purposed an Osirion shrine and dedicated it to his own name sake god Set (if he did indeed dedicate it to Osiris then he was going against his name sake and patron god was he not,
Also Harte you will have to forgive me if I find it highly suspicious that these Cartouche were found inside the joint's of an otherwise completely unadorned temple, how and when did the granite wear away?
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Byrd
Thank you for that interpretation Byrd, I find your knowledge of the ancient cult's of Egypt interesting, off piste but what do you make of that elderly lady whom believed that she was a reincarnation of a priestess of Isis and whom while at first laughed at predicted thing's that no one could have known (Except perhaps a savant with a particular talent) and some of which were later confirmed.
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My question was not the validity of the Cartouche with it's oval enclosure and usually a straight bar denoting from which end it was to be read but whether these stone's were actually ORIGINALLY part of the Osirion or a later part of renovations to the site and even if the site is Dynastic egyptian it could still be thousands of years older than Seti or hundreds with the potential that the site was originally built in a lower lying area before sand and or flood born Nile silt inundated it, if so there is therefore a good prospect of an entire temple complex existing beneath that of Seti's.
Traditionally over time as you know the Egyptian's also absorbed most of there invaders whom became Egyptian/Copt's themselves over time and were there distinct religion's and belief's were not too competing they eventually merged, indeed this was helped in part as the Pharaoh's cult would have found this incredibly important to homogenize there people into a single group, this is best demonstrated in the Merging of Amun and Ra/Re, of course the Pharaoh had to have the cooperation of the priesthood or like the Dynasty of Akhenaten which ended with the death of Tutankhamun (I doubt that was the name his father chose for him) was erased from history, Akhenaten as you know had tried to replace all those small religion's which had previously operated under the somewhat jumbled belief's of the Egyptian' people's with Sun Worship and he is perhaps not correctly credited as the founder of the first monotheistic faith, I say not correctly because it is likely that worship of a great spirit type being is actually far older.
It has been a little time since I have thought about the barque of a million years, the boat of the sun, beloved of science fiction, ancient astronaut's and new age cult's the same whom think of the primordial mound/island as another world in the celestial Nile the milky way galaxy in the sky, best sci fi take on it was an escape in it (though not specifically named as such) by an alien Osiris impersonator whom had conveniently gotten himself a hot blond female host (Well he did lost his todger after his brother Set cut him up and scattered his remain's and Isis his sister had to use a stick as a replacement, stick - branch - surrogate could they have been ancient king's and queen's? - I know the astronomical theory and how there cult's were related to celestial body's and phenomena but just think there may be more to there origin of the legend's that became religion's) in the wacky but still cool stargate series.
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Is it impossible that they built using copper tools? No.
Is it plausible that they did so? No. Not with just 10,000 or workers over 50 or so years. It would take thousands of years to lay that many large stones, no matter what workforce you had.
The problem with this is that it ignores all the other pyramids that Egyptians certainly built.
For example, the Red Pyramid. That structure actually has indications on its blocks of when they were laid, so there is no question about who built it. It's only slightly smaller than the Great Pyramid. According to your mistaken belief, the Red Pyramid would take (at least) hundreds of years to build, but the writing on it tells a completely different story.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
The problem the copper tools theory doesn't address is time. You can't lay that many huge stones at the speed specified, no matter how many workers you have.
It's a space issue. Use too many, and they'll be tripping over one another. Use too few and you'll be waiting thousands of years to finish.
It's easy enough to see that in the Giza quarry, the limestone blocks were broken out, not carved out. You seem to think they quarried with copper chisels when it's very well known that they didn't do any such thing.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
There is no way they were rushing those stones up the ramps, all hustle, speed and hurrying to make each day's 100+ stone quota, to make a 50 year deadline. In the first place, you can't sustain that kind of urgency for a full decade straight.
Here you seem to assert that there's just not enough time to stack that many stones. But we know for a fact that at least a couple of kings constructed more than one pyramid in their lifetime.
Also, it appears you assume that the number of stones in the G.P. is a known quantity. It is not. The generally quoted number is based on a solid geometric pyramid completely constructed of stones like we see on the outside. Howeveer, we know that the G.P. Iis not made that way. The interior is a mound of stones mortared together. There is a very wide variety of sizes in that core. Also, there are several known areas that are voids filled with debris and gobs of mortar. The ones we know about are visible because of the black powder archaeology of the past. Blown open entrances revealed this fact.
Lastly, the Great Pyramid is built around a small hill. It doesn't account for a large amount of the G.P.s volume, but nobody knows exactly how large this hill is.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
In the second place, we have to ask: where did the skill come from? Just sprung into existence? There were no schools? No practice runs? No other similar projects with less urgency (such as aquifers for irrigation, or rich people's homes)
There is a reasonable progression of construction starting with mastabas. Djoser's step pyramid reveals that it started out as a mastaba.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
So they would naturally want to renovate the creations of their earlier lives.
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
So they would naturally want to renovate the creations of their earlier lives.
My understanding was that if a pharaoh died during the construction of one of their monuments, the monuments were completed to the point where they looked okay, and then they stopped working on them and started work on new monuments.