Submarine UC3 Nautilus Sank Today. Female Reporter Is Missing

a reply to: LABTECH767

My first thought was monetary wrong doing on his part. That should be public knowledge. She seemed a genuine journalist that would look at the money trail and come to a conclusion that the numbers do not add up.

I really hope that her boyfriend knows what she was working on. Or at least has access to her computer. I would love to hear her side of the story.

That is the problem with freelance journalism--you do not answer to a boss, have your stories vetted by fact checkers, or have the cache of a card carrying member of the press. Those things can protect you (a bit) when it comes to questionable individuals.

Then again, there are people that are going to end a certain way no matter how they get there. He seems like that type. Which is shame because "insanity" will be the cry from an "eccentric" inventor by his lawyers. That ending would just leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I guess we have some time to wait to see how it works out. At least he is behind bars. It does not bring Kim Wall back which is sad.

You mentioned, "premeditated" which makes me wonder if he has done this before?

originally posted by: TEOTWAWKIAIFF
a reply to: LABTECH767

My first thought was monetary wrong doing on his part. That should be public knowledge. She seemed a genuine journalist that would look at the money trail and come to a conclusion that the numbers do not add up.

I really hope that her boyfriend knows what she was working on. Or at least has access to her computer. I would love to hear her side of the story.

That is the problem with freelance journalism--you do not answer to a boss, have your stories vetted by fact checkers, or have the cache of a card carrying member of the press. Those things can protect you (a bit) when it comes to questionable individuals.

Then again, there are people that are going to end a certain way no matter how they get there. He seems like that type. Which is shame because "insanity" will be the cry from an "eccentric" inventor by his lawyers. That ending would just leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I guess we have some time to wait to see how it works out. At least he is behind bars. It does not bring Kim Wall back which is sad.

You mentioned, "premeditated" which makes me wonder if he has done this before?

I hear you on the not liking the story angle, but if there was any malfeasance financially why even agree to let her do an article at all. I mean it's not like he had to let her on the sub,or even talk to her.

I remember seeing a documentary about the building of this submarine, and about Peter Madson himself, back in 2007 I think. I remember being amazed with his work, as this was the third submarine he had built, and the documentary went over all of the trials and tribulations of his design work to get to building the Nautilus.

How a dedicated, indeed intelligent man, with so many options for his future, could be at the same time a gruesome killer ... it certainly does not fit the modus operandi of this guys life... but perhaps you could say this about other killers...
The Sam Sheppard murder case of long ago, comes to mind, .... and the real jury is still out on that one....

Something tells me there is a bombshell of information to still be released about how this woman actually died, and the motives to initially hide that fact... did he panic knowing that his illustrious career would be doomed.?... irrationally engineering a covering up that was more rational to him, than just instantly returning to port with a dead woman that he said died from an accident?

I do not think the best fiction writer could come up with a better story line that is in here. Presented like we have witnessed, it is a cliff hanger. Is it possible that she really died in an accident? Did she get into the gears of the thing somehow?.. Is he really a killer? Just Wow.

I think it was a sex crime.
He put the move on her on the sub, she rejected him and he became angry.

a reply to: putnam6

That was just my initial "feeling" is that he was pocketing funds somehow. He wondered how much she knew and then found out, then he snapped. The "burial at sea" makes it seem premeditated. The "letting on his sub" would be an ego thing on his part; a control thing.

Looks like they are going to charge him with murder.

Prosecutors in Denmark say they will bring murder charges against the inventor suspected of killing a Swedish journalist on board his submarine.

They are expected to ask for the new charges when Mr Madsen appears in court in early September.

BBC.com, news - Kim Wall case: Murder charge sought for Peter Madsen.

It is off to the courts. Which means a long process. I wonder how many more "versions" will come out?

originally posted by: butcherguy
I think it was a sex crime.
He put the move on her on the sub, she rejected him and he became angry.

This is a strong possibility, as she was definitively a very beautiful woman. But, if this was the start of the nightmare, perhaps she was able to free herself from him, running to another section of the sub where she may have been killed by some of the sub's machinery, or fell and hit her head, or even electrocuted, since this sub used a Diesel to Generator/Batteries/DC Motor propulsion system and she may have grabbed on to a hot lead somehow. They have never said yet "where" in the sub that the dried blood was found, and that information has to be crucial to the case as well.

I do not know too much about how trial cases work there, so I wonder if any of that detailed information will come out when the court case starts.

a reply to: charlyv

I know you can't judge a book by its cover... but he looks creepy to me. I thought that before all the facts came out, and now that we know that he dismembered her body, I am satisfied that the creepy vibe was accurate.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: charlyv

I know you can't judge a book by its cover... but he looks creepy to me. I thought that before all the facts came out, and now that we know that he dismembered her body, I am satisfied that the creepy vibe was accurate.

I know I agree.

We will probably never know the true story, the sex thing is most likely. The texting the other guy saying the trip was cancelled, so he could be alone with her probably.

Lets assume it was a scenario where she escaped and killed herself by accident why dismember her and dump her. Sure there could be reasons to but none of them are good and all of them are to cover up what actually happened.

Was he married?

a reply to: putnam6

This aryicle in The Local says that he is married, but here is the interesting part:

“I’d like to secretly build a zeppelin and fly over Copenhagen in it as a swarm of police cars chase me on the ground. I’d land the balloon between the two spires of Roskilde Cathedral as the police wait to arrest me,” he said to Søndagsavisen.

In the same interview, Madsen also stated his desire to “have a criminal track record in the long run. I don’t mean I want to rob a bank. Heavens no, it mustn’t do anyone any harm.”

Although he says it mustn't do anyone any harm, it is interesting.

a reply to: butcherguy

Well what a strange thing to say...I'd say he has an extreme head start on the insanity defense.

a reply to: butcherguy
a reply to: putnam6

Yea, in retrospect, there would be no reason to dismember her body if she died an accidental death, but I really tried to rationalize a way that he could possibly be innocent of killing her.

Forensics will still "probably" be able to show if she was raped, but even if it cannot, I doubt if he will ever see the light of day again. What a sad, sad story for that poor woman.

a reply to: charlyv

Oh yea so do I,after all this is a conspiracy site. And hell I've got an active imagination.

Like he was smuggling contraband(here in America the go to would be drugs) in his submarine and she found out. Or some other spy plot. He was being blackmailed etc. but all of those require even more evidence. Strange that he says he accepts the arrest but maintains he is innocent.

Kim Wall was in North Korea.


Inside slain journalist’s fateful submarine ride

She once even managed to slip into North Korea.

Two years ago, in a dispute with volunteers who helped him build his UC3 Nautilus, Madsen sent an odd text message.

“There is a curse on Nautilus,” he wrote, according to his website. “The curse is me. There will never be peace on Nautilus as long as I exist.”

He was a creative genius who treasured his freedom, which sometimes included “sexual experimenting in fetish groups” even though he was married and “lives with a partner he loves,” his biographer, Thomas Djursing, told The Post.

Danish law prevented him from taking passengers out to sea. It’s unclear why he broke the rules with Wall aboard.

Now, Wall is the story, her tale more suited to the pages of a twisted Nordic crime novel. Indeed, the grisly findings are difficult to believe.

Police found traces of Wall’s blood in the submarine after they recovered the 40-ton vessel, which they say Madsen deliberately sank as the search for Wall went into high gear.

And then, last week, a nude headless torso of a woman was found floating in the waters off a beach south of Copenhagen.

DNA tests revealed that the torso belonged to Wall.

And she wasn’t simply dismembered. Police said that the air was deliberately squeezed from her torso, which was weighed down with pieces of metal to ensure that it would sink.

sounds like foul play was involved

The police is right now searching for the missing body parts, using Swedish sniffer dogs trained to search on water.



Politiet leder efter hemmeligt rum i Peter Madsens ubåd (in danish)

Google translated:

'This is done with the help of Swedish police who have trained special dogs for, among other things, searching on water. The search is done to locate, if possible, the missing body parts from Kim Wall, "the police writes.

The search is expected to continue for the next two days.

Criminology Professor and Author Leif GW Persson believe Peter Madsen may get away with it...


Ubåt-mysteriet: - Madsen kan ende opp med å le rettferdigheten midt i ansiktet (in norwegian)

Google translated:

Leif GW Persson believes it is crucial to find Kim Walls head

The well-known criminology professor and author Leif GW Persson fear that the evidence against submarines Peter Madsen will not hold a murder sentence.

Murderer goes free

Persson, who for many years worked in the Rikspo artistry, tells about three murder investigations where the victims were dumped, divided or tried hidden. In all three cases, the suspects were released, even if he was "obviously" guilty.

Now Persson fears that the same can happen to Madsen, who is charged with killing Kim Wall.

a reply to: Hellmutt

Certainly there has to be cases were persons are convicted were the bodies were dismembered, probably overwhelmingly so. Just because somebody gets a slick attorney or can manipulate the court system doesn't mean everybody gets away with it. What does the head prove anyway pretty sure it was with her last time anybody saw her on the sub. Really weird stuff.

Thanks for the update, keep em coming

a reply to: putnam6

They want to find the head to determine the cause of death. Peter Madsen claim that she died in an accident. If they find out that she was strangled, they'll prove that he lied (again). I don't know what he told the police about the "accident" and how it happened. And despite the fact that she was dismembered, and they found her blood on the submarine, he still denies all charges.

She had apparently written a story about coc aine smuggling and submarines...


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September 2nd, 2017


Another theory is that Wall was killed because she was working on a story that implicated Madsen and a worldwide drug smuggling ring.

An unnamed source wrote to CPH POST on August 18 to present evidence that Wall had written a story on the coc aine trade in the Americas and that submarines are used to transport coc aine.

Furthermore, dismembered torsos are the hallmark of South American drug lords.

a reply to: Hellmutt

Makes you wonder a little bit,did she expose enough that smugglers wanted to silence her. Was Madsen smuggling? or is this a nugget being floated by his defense team?

I'd like to read the article she wrote to see how in depth it was...