The plane flying over Washington on 911

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: the2ofusr1

Yes it was in their report, I believe and it was identified by multiple people, including the news, after they figured it out. It's been awhile since I went through the report, but it was identified by multiple sources. No other nation uses a 747 in their military, except Iran.

To be fair, this info was contained in the same report which stated:

"To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance."

Yes. A commission tasked with investigating perhaps the most significant world event of the 21st century thus far, actually printed those words.

But sure, they'll tell the truth about aircraft activity that day.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Who would tell the truth? The people flying the jet. The air traffic controllers? The ground crews that service the jet? The people that analyze the radar data. Air port logs, air traffic controller logs, pilot logs, military base logs, refueling logs, maintenance logs? Records of inflight communications. Etc..........

The other backbone of the truth movement. To discredit scores of individuals, logs, data with a wave of the hand and the stance it's all lies. While quoting individuals that make false statements concerning flight 77?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

How do you track if the terrorists were supported with cold hard cash smuggled into the USA illegally. How do track the hand to hand transfer of physical cash? Just an example. Especially if the money was supplied through the illegal opium trade?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

How do you track if the terrorists were supported with cold hard cash smuggled into the USA illegally with computers? Just an example. Especially if the money was supplied through the illegal opium trade?

I'm not playing the charade Neutron. The point was that they had the arrogance to say that it was of little practical significance. That, combined with many other absurdities, makes the entire Commission's report a farce.

Would you have been okay with O.J. Simpson being in charge of his own murder investigation back in the 90's? Similar conflict of interest.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Because the only way to tell what it is, is to rely on the report. If only people could tell aircraft types apart from pictures. Or there was some way to listen in to air traffic control. Some kind of scanner system, or maybe even a site online you could do it.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

To prove your point, you must show the individuals that ran the investigation and the commission were the masterminds of 9/11. So the president, all the president's staff, all of congress, all of the senate, all the FBI, all the CIA, all of NYPD, all of NYFD, all of the pentagon staff, all the army, all the navy, all the Air Force, all he marines, all the coroners, all air traffic controllers, all airport staff, all the national safety board, all individuals involved in the WTC cleanup, all of NIST were in on it? And that is the short list.....


Maybe if you listed four or five examples you would have some credibility.

Or if you actually addressed specific questions asked of you instead of jumping to unrelated items.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

I cannot even get people to cite examples of the supposed NIST pseudoscience from the NIST reports.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

It will be interesting to see if you choose to provide examples for the sake of debate, or will choose to rant and complain with unrelated items.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: the2ofusr1

Yes it was in their report, I believe and it was identified by multiple people, including the news, after they figured it out. It's been awhile since I went through the report, but it was identified by multiple sources. No other nation uses a 747 in their military, except Iran.

To be fair, this info was contained in the same report which stated:

"To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance."

Yes. A commission tasked with investigating perhaps the most significant world event of the 21st century thus far, actually printed those words.

But sure, they'll tell the truth about aircraft activity that day.

Did you get past the sixth word in Zaphod's post?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Would you like to talk about the EPA losing their court battles over the botched WTC dust samples, and the federal government payout? So? There is an example how government incompetence/ lies can and will be exposed through litigation and separation of powers.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
The aircraft over Washington was one of four E-4B aircraft. It had nothing to do with Open Skies. There were two at Andrews that morning. They were part of a command post exercise to show how they would be used as communications and command nodes for the government. They have been positively identified and are US based out of Nebraska.

Offut AFB which is where Dubya hid out on the day of 9/11.
One of the E4b flew a circular pattern over Richmond, Va that afternoon.
My wife and I both saw it and it was the only plane in the sky.
Why a holding pattern there though?
Never made sense of it.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

They stayed close to DC in case they were recalled. No point going all the way to one of their hold points out to sea or closer to the central US until they saw what was going on and what would be needed. Venus77, the Tertiary aircraft ended up landing only a couple hours after getting airborne.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Why a holding pattern there though?
Never made sense of it.

When your enemy punches you four times you are going to be on the lookout for a fifth.
Is it really that hard to figure out?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

It is believed that some of the money was moved by means of the HAWALA system - a loose system of money
transfer often used in third world countries

en.wikipedia.org...

it works like this - you go to uncle Abdul and deposit money in a Hawala

Back in USA Mohammed goes to a Hawala broker to retrieve the money

Hawala brokers later settle up accounts

No records or trace for intelligence agencies to follow

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Offut AFB which is where Dubya hid out on the day of 9/11.
One of the E4b flew a circular pattern over Richmond, Va that afternoon.
My wife and I both saw it and it was the only plane in the sky.
Why a holding pattern there though?
Never made sense of it.

Part of the COG (Continuity of government plan) which has been in effect sine 1950's in case of nuclear attack

Idea is to get away from coasts, where most of the USA large cities are located, and into the center of the country

Its called strategic depth . Bush first went to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, before going Offut in Omaha

a reply to: firerescue

The E-4s were to head off the coasts if they could get that far, normally. They would keep any from Offutt towards the middle of the country, but they'd head south, away from the missile fields, while if they launched from Andrews they'd head off the coast. But that was in the event of a nuclear attack. For disaster response their reactions were different.

a reply to: Asktheanimals



You are dead on about the E-4B (VENUS77/ADDIS77) orbiting around Richmond on 9/11. According to 9/11 Commission staffer Miles Kara, it was orbiting over Richmond waiting for Air Force One to return to Washington DC. Once it was decided that AF1 would go to Barksdale AFB instead of DC, VENUS77 headed west towards what is assumed to be Offutt Air Force Base (the available radar data ends before its destination can be determined) after orbiting the DC area again for a while. Here is a time-lapse video of its radar returns on 9/11.



Here's a link to Miles Kara's blog post where he discusses the E-4Bs.

www.oredigger61.org...

Here's a link to a video I made a long time ago that has the E-4B air traffic control recordings timed with its radar returns overlaid on a Google map. Richmond is specifically mentioned in this recording.

So the gist of it is that the mystery plane is not a mystery.

a reply to: samkent

It's only a mystery to the un/misinformed.

a reply to: Boone 870

Thanks for putting all that together.
It's nice to affirm what we saw.