NK threatens Guam with a Nuke Strike.....Again

a reply to: 3daysgone

You're only looking at it from an isolated point though.

If a crowd sees a much larger stronger guy beating the crap out of some little guy who is screaming for help they all lynch the big guy. What they didn't see was the little guy kicking the big guy in the balls a few minutes earlier though and nobody believes or cares to hear about that part later.

It's not about Hitting Back. It's about hitting First. For what may seem to many as unjustified if NK didn't hit first. That's my point. That he's provoking Trump into doing something which will result in something negative for America.

Or he's using it as a way to show America as weak if they don't strike. Kim may see this as a win for him no matter what.

He's popular here on ATS and in some places sure. But not in America overall and not world wide either. Not even his own party is fully supporting him. If you think he's got the majority of people either in the US or the World behind him you're stuck in a bubble.

a reply to: ketsuko

And then they would blame Trump for not striking first. Guaranteed.

a reply to: mOjOm

North Korea is the beast that's been appeased by every president.

This is what happens. When you stop paying him hush money, he blows his stack and throws a tantrum. He figures that eventually we'll appease him again like we did before.

How long do you let the pompous little fat man hold you hostage with his nukes?

a reply to: Anathros

I'm guessing that comment is toward me???

Try understanding what it is I'm actually saying here, as I don't hate America.

I'm talking about a very real situation that puts Trump and the American Image on the world stage in a bit of a pickle that we need to be careful of how we handle.

If I was against America I wouldn't care what happens to it.

Your bias is keeping you from simply grasping what I'm saying.

The way I write may be triggering you too though. I'm a cynic though so I can't help it. Just because I don't wear Stars and Stripes Pajamas and drive a Ford 250 with rebel flag doesn't mean I don't love my country.

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: ketsuko

And then they would blame Trump for not striking first. Guaranteed.

Yeah, well, sadly people are so sure that *no one* would ever dare set off a nuke that someone is going to have to get fried again before they'll believe that there actually is and are evil places in the world besides the US, which as we all know, is the original and only font of all things evil ... /sarc

I just feel very, very sorry for the ones who have to die for people to get it.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's a good question.

How long do we keep playing games?? Because so far that's all he's doing too so a first strike on our part won't be viewed well either.

Certainly a counter strike isn't a problem, that is justified. But NK isn't hitting us. But he is getting closer and doing so regardless of the warnings he's been given.

So it's tricky. Especially being that we are a major super power and he's not. There is a fine line between having the world see you as standing up for yourself and just attacking another country with overwhelming force when not needed.

Do you see what I'm saying???

NK may be playing a very risky but clever game here. The question is how good a player are we in this game??

a reply to: mOjOm

If a crowd sees a much larger stronger guy beating the crap out of some little guy who is screaming for help they all lynch the big guy. What they didn't see was the little guy kicking the big guy in the balls a few minutes earlier though and nobody believes or cares to hear about that part later.

You do realize that we are speaking of North Korea right? The world knows about North Korea. They would help, because they don't want North Korea hanging around with nukes either. Isolated point of view? Comparing North Korea as the small child getting bullied is like comparing Jeffry Dahmer to someone who bites their fingernails.

It's not about Hitting Back. It's about hitting First. For what may seem to many as unjustified if NK didn't hit first. That's my point. That he's provoking Trump into doing something which will result in something negative for America.

Lil' Kim is not just provoking Trump, he is threatening all out nuclear war? Yeah I would hope that more than just Trump get provoked, wouldn't you?

Or he's using it as a way to show America as weak if they don't strike. Kim may see this as a win for him no matter what.

He is a child who believes he is a God, delusional. Why on Earth would you want to Provoke the most powerful Nation in the world? That is straight up foolish.

He's popular here on ATS and in some places sure. But not in America overall and not world wide either. Not even his own party is fully supporting him. If you think he's got the majority of people either in the US or the World behind him you're stuck in a bubble.

He is popular in the places that voted for him, other wise he wouldn't have won the election. So I am going to need some actual hardcore proof that he is so unpopular, otherwise you just don't like him, like Lil' Kim.

Guam being located approximately midway between North Korea and Australia would require North Korea to have missiles overly Southern Japanese Islands.

Naturally one would expect naval defense assets to be moved to Southern Sea of Japan to counter the threat.


From a 2014 CNN article,

Aegis can also work with other missile defense systems -- such as the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, which is to be deployed in South Korea this year, or the Patriot missile defense.

But those systems have a more limited range, elevating the importance of Aegis ships, where they are, and how often they are deployed.

"I think the US needs to position its Aegis ships in the right part of the Sea of Japan to intercept a North Korean missile

CNN

The AEGIS BMD reportedly can intercept right up to apogee altitudes.

IMHO Kim is attempting a high school level misdirection in order to hope we unmask northern and possibly central areas of Sea of Japan from AEGIS BMD coverage - coverage that prevents a much further eastward target from being on the table - CONUS

Just a thought..........and something to ponder.

a reply to: mOjOm


What did anyone expect after Trump's blustery promise of fire and fury? 'Lil Kim called his bluff. Now what is he gonna do?

They are "2 of kind", the Ying to the other's Yang.
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Anathros

I'm guessing that comment is toward me???

Try understanding what it is I'm actually saying here, as I don't hate America.

I'm talking about a very real situation that puts Trump and the American Image on the world stage in a bit of a pickle that we need to be careful of how we handle.

If I was against America I wouldn't care what happens to it.

Your bias is keeping you from simply grasping what I'm saying.

The way I write may be triggering you too though. I'm a cynic though so I can't help it. Just because I don't wear Stars and Stripes Pajamas and drive a Ford 250 with rebel flag doesn't mean I don't love my country.

I'm saying # the world stage. I'm sick of America having to be an actor. I'm sick of actors. I just got done watching 8 years of the Apology Tour by what I would consider to be the most incompetent foreign policy president we've ever seen.

When a country like North Korea threatens you, you have to take that threat seriously. If you received a phone call tonight and heard a voice on the other end threaten your loved ones, would you shrug it off would you do something? Call the police? Load your weapons and guard your home? Would you sit back and hope that it was only a prank call?

That's what presidents have done for the last 2 decades. They've pretended it was a prank. Surprise, it wasn't! Now we have a president that literally spoke their language right back at them. Trump picked up the phone and said "# with my family and I'll destroy anything and everything you've ever held dear." I say KUDOS for proving you have a sack Mr. President.

Why do people assume a missile with a warhead has to LAND in order for retaliation to be warranted.

Arming, aim, and firing a missile at an American target is grounds for retaliation.

Take this "fight" scenario people use all the time. If someone swings at you, they don't have to hit you in order for you to defend yourself. All they have to do is swing.

The smartest thing Trump did was marry Melania.

The second smartest thing Trump did was hire General Mattis.

I trust Mattis.

I'm not worried.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Don't put all your eggs in that basket.

There is a reason we had to fight the Second Battle of Fallujah.

Just sayin.

a reply to: 3daysgone

First of all I didn't say a child. I said a little guy. The world also knows NK hasn't actually done anything though. They may not like him either but that doesn't mean they'll support wiping out NK over nothing but threats and test fires either.

Yes he's provoking him. But that doesn't mean you can just go destroy NK because they've been talking smack either. You think that would make America look good if we did???

Yes, it's crazy. Nobody said Kim isn't a crazy child. But in today's world you can't just go smash a child for being a little sh*t when you're supposed to be the adult. Even though deep down there is a part of you that thinks, "Well that little bastard kind of deserved it." As the adult you still don't do it because it's not cool and not the adult thing to do. (We're speaking in metaphor here but hopefully you get what I'm saying.)

His poll numbers suck. Half his own party doesn't like him. Most the left hates him. All the dems are against him. He may have won but not even half the country even voted so at best he won with around 25% support. I mean come on. If he was actually that popular even here it would be easy to tell. He has some very loyal supporters but nowhere near as positive as you are trying to make it seem.

a reply to: windword

*gasps for air* tooo funny.

Everyone is trying to rationalize the crap he said, but the truth is, he made a fool of himself.

"Like the world has never seen". Get real. It was true in 1945 when Truman said it, (dropping a nuclear warhead on Hiroshima) but it's nothing but cheap talk when this guy says it.

a reply to: windword

Exactly. Who's going to blink first and what will be the outcome if they do???

Or is nobody going to blink and instead throw a punch and what is that outcome??

originally posted by: 200Plus
Why do people assume a missile with a warhead has to LAND in order for retaliation to be warranted.

Arming, aim, and firing a missile at an American target is grounds for retaliation.

Take this "fight" scenario people use all the time. If someone swings at you, they don't have to hit you in order for you to defend yourself. All they have to do is swing.

Sigh. Of course we could do it anytime we like. That's taking the stupid route. Understand?

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: DBCowboy

Don't put all your eggs in that basket.

There is a reason we had to fight the Second Battle of Fallujah.

Just sayin.

Thing is, the hands already been dealt.

We have to play it now.

a reply to: Anathros

Despite what you might think I don't have a problem with Trump standing up for America and calling Kim's bluff.

There is no reason for America to take threats from another country that is threatening to nuke us.

However, you may not like it, but the World Stage does make a difference in how all the actors behave, including us.

I'm just trying to get people to think about what's happening here and why. Who benefits. What losses might happen on both sides. How many ways can this be played and how good are the players on our side. Who else might also be influencing NK in this as well.

a reply to: mOjOm

Who else might be influencing NK depends on how sane Lil' Kim really is. Didn't it tell you something that both Russia and China voted with the UN to sanction him? He's China's client. They usually resist every such move. That even they are making moves to reign him in should tell you there might be two reasons for it:

1.) They're trying to squeeze him into popping off.

2.) He is slipping their leash and they don't want a nuclear madman on their borders anymore than anyone else in the region.