I left Freemasonry in 2016, and I am happy to discuss the subject.

There isn't much respite for early trauma in a lodge but it offers the psychological safety of never being touched again for a time. But healing has to come from God. a reply to: GoatWizard

I know the secret tools that french free mason are using.

Do you want to exchange secret tools from the rite you have been in against the one of the french rite?

I am looking forward to your response.

originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
I'm not a mason. I've never been good in any group dynamic. I just know how it goes.

No, you don't. You're lying. If you're not a Mason, you can't say you know 'how it goes' .

You 'assume' you know how it goes. And you're wrong.

a reply to: GoatWizard

LOL,this is starting to sound like the old"I used to drink" type rant,I come from a family of freemasons,so IMO your sounding somewhat trite

a reply to: GoatWizard
It should be noted though that what some southern Grand Lodges do doesn't represent all of Freemasonry.

I'm sorry you had such a sour experience.

a reply to: GoatWizard
I found that Freemasonry only enhanced my spiritual advancement.

a reply to: GoatWizard
Thank you for the clarification.

a reply to: SuicideKing33
Well, none of the Bush Presidents are Masons. As to the Rockefellers, I'm not familiar with any of them being Masons. The Queen is not a Mason; her cousin the Duke of Kent is the Grand Master of the UGLE.

a reply to: GoatWizard

Brother,
I am sorry to hear you felt the need to leave the fraternity, but if it's best for you, then God speed. I know what you mean with regards to the few idiots with racist ideals and politically correct mouths in public, unfortunately, they exist, luckily, there are also people who are truly in it for the brotherhood and skin color isn't a factor. I have found nothing in freemasonry that is in conflict to my religious beliefs, it has only strengthened mine. But either way, I wish you well in your travels.

do you feel there's truth in their teachings, or has it been compromised like the church?

a reply to: noonebutme

Lying is a harsh word friend. I might be a presuming dick but I'm not lying.

A little sensitive today are we?

originally posted by: uwontbelievethis

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: uwontbelievethis
a reply to: GoatWizard

Are you going to answer any of the questions?

That's funny. If you look through the thread, you haven;'t ASKED any yourself. So do you demand an instantaneous response? It's been about half an hour. Take a chill pill and give hm a chance.

That was a question.....wasn't it?

Don't be pedantic. The guy came on her at 5:30 pm and you were admonishing him about asking questions less than an hour later. That's unreasonable. By 7:30 he was answering dozens of questions. You were just being impatient and snide.

It seems to be the norm of late here on ATS, that folks who are safe and cozy behind their internet connections and feel perfectly secure in blatant attacks on others.

Yesterday, I posted a thread response stating that while working as a bartender in the suburbs of Washington D.C. I saw someone confronted by the Secret Service because of statements that they wanted to do harm to the president and or his family. One person in particular chose to say that they disbelieved that the SS would take something seriously, let alone actually come and confront the person accused of saying such a thing?

Are there loons on the internet? Yes. Are there people who want attention? Yes. Are there people who simply enjoy lying through their teeth? Yes.

But dear lord.... there were no grandiose claims made.

ATS, keep this kind of approach up, and you are quickly going to find yourself losing members due to the hostile and provoking mentalities that exist here.

Hi OP,

Is Freemasonry mainly for Christians?

Is there anything you feel the public should know about this fraternity?

What are your feelings regarding Manly Hall?

Thank you for your time.

We wanna hear from real Masonic defectors, not the baby Masons

There's enough lf those around already.

Comparing the local fartsniffers club to Anton Laveys Church of Satan: It aint the real deal,just some boring rehashed this n that to waste the mind on pride.

Those types of freemasons are like the kids who use computers in department stores , just to say "Hey look i know how computers work" even though they only know programs.

Im fairly certain humans are the only species that push buttons just to prove they know how buttons work, rather than a monkey who pushes buttons for a reward

a reply to: BigBangWasAnEcho

what a fascinating commentary, obviously fueled by a lifetime full of research and study.

Bravo sir.

originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
Lying is a harsh word friend. I might be a presuming dick but I'm not lying.
A little sensitive today are we?

Not in the slightest. Nor do I think you're a presuming dick, as you put it.

But I do think you're lying when you say you "know how it goes" when it comes to Freemasonry, when you yourself say you are not.

What you *assume* is based on what you read in the papers, from Hollywood and other morons who think the world is run by Masons. If you actually knew just how normal and often how boring some of the bureaucracy can be, you may be surprised.

But a dick? No, not in the slightest. Lying about how it goes in Masonry? Most definitely.

originally posted by: GoatWizard

So... if there is anything pro, con, or whatever, I am happy to respond here.

So, your lodge allowed you to demit without a fuss?

Did they heal your wound before you left?

Can you join Freemasonry again, if you decide to, at a different lodge now?

Did you swear any onerous oaths to secrecy, that you still have to keep, even though you're not a member?

Whatever happened to the saying, "Once a mason, always a mason?"

Are you really out completely? Or, just stopped paying your dues?

a reply to: GoatWizard


I think most people would be bummed to find out how boring and mundane freemasonry is. They want to believe in these grand conspiracies where masons are an all knowing secret society that has all the secrets of past and present at hand, when,in reality, it is just a bunch of guys hanging out.

So were being told Masons are basically human. I think we knew that.

I think any group in our world will have what the old Clint movie is titled:

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugle


pun intended.

Freemasonry is that kinda like food stamps but you get bricks instead?
a reply to: GoatWizard

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: GoatWizard


I think most people would be bummed to find out how boring and mundane freemasonry is. They want to believe in these grand conspiracies where masons are an all knowing secret society that has all the secrets of past and present at hand, when,in reality, it is just a bunch of guys hanging out.

You mean, like a Golf Club?

Well, what's the point then, of joining Freemasonry?

At least, with Golf, we know we'll meet other business leaders who might help us with some project we're thinking about or working on.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: GoatWizard

So... if there is anything pro, con, or whatever, I am happy to respond here.

So, your lodge allowed you to demit without a fuss?

Did they heal your wound before you left?

Can you join Freemasonry again, if you decide to, at a different lodge now?

Did you swear any onerous oaths to secrecy, that you still have to keep, even though you're not a member?

Whatever happened to the saying, "Once a mason, always a mason?"

Are you really out completely? Or, just stopped paying your dues?

I sent a request for demit in writing, per the rules of the jurisdiction.

I am out.