The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

originally posted by: sputniksteve
The podcast I just suggested is based on the book The Lost Art of Resurrectionby Freddy Silva. I went ahead and bought it and am working through it now, and like so many of the things I hear about on this show by chance it turns out to be so much more relevant that I originally thought. It is well worth the $9 ya'll, if you have the means financially you won't regret it.

Very interesting podcast Steve, which actually links in well with a couple of very old books that I have just finished outlining the resurrection process as told by entities from the world of spirit(higher light beings).

I may purchase the book as soon I have finished the other three I have lined up. It certainly deserves more study.

I've sent you a PM.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Great thread and read but the chalk message isn't in a 1300s style (if this is pivotal or not I dunno, could have been another 'entity', part of a prank on the couple, or part they'd embellished) seems more 1850s (almost like a Poe quote).

Light box as is in backlit porjector box? (was actual terminology for backlit x ray screens in hospitals/arts and more recently a4 and a3 portable, waffer thin, usb charged/transmitted reading aids for blind people/public use?

Aaah shoot the band IS getting back together it looks like. Getting me all fired up for some sluething. I really want to finish this book so that is my top priority but wanted to check in.

Anyway we could get a quick roll call of who is still active and interested?

www.fastcodesign.com...
Curious article I happened across today on my lunch break about fonts being used to hide codes now. Felt it could be relevant. Also listened to a couple MU podcast this morning (19.08 and 17.11) that I found interesting and relevant to the whole code concept as well. Sorry for just randomly dropping in and not fully explaining, I’m trying to get my thoughts posted before they disappear! Hoping to log on the computer tonight and elaborate everything I’ve been thinking better, but have only had the chance to post from my phone so far.

a reply to: Bekkalek

Fantastic Ill check those episodes and comment as I have heard all from last year or so. Don't worry about explanations what you did is just fine for this thread as far as I am concerned.

a reply to: sputniksteve
I'm still active, been following this thread the whole time.
I'm onto something- which I've been reading about for a while now- but i don't want to give details yet until I fully understand it, when I do I'll post about it.

a reply to: CromCruachh

Awesome let us know.

Anyway we could get a quick roll call of who is still active and interested?

a reply to: sputniksteve

Hey, I'm still reading along. I have to say, I still hold the same view I did last time we spoke about it. Seems like the only thing that could tie all the different aspects of this together. But I still very much enjoy reading everyone else's ideas about it! Carry on!

a reply to: wtbengineer

Fantastic. Good morning buddy.

Did anyone else get an email with a link to word press today?

a reply to: Bekkalek

I will have to relisten to both episodes. I was only half listening to 19:xx and barely remember 17:11.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Hey Steve, apologies my friend, that was from me!

I didn't realise I had sent the link yet but I was preparing some ground work on a new website I've been working on for some time. It's still under construction but I had just uncovered some more amazing research and I couldn't hold back my excitement.

Trouble is there is quite a lot to go through which relates to 2105 and 2109.

Don't worry about the login details Steve, you should receive another e-mail with those. If not, I'll send them again but just give me a little more time to post some of the info on the site.

I can't post anything here on ATS just yet, as it needs sorting and organising.

In short though, there's some amazing info to come for the whole gang to see, which I should be able to link back to ATS.

I must admit though, I do have concerns regarding some of the material that I have read in these files but also in relation to what I've been reading in other books and and from other sources, some written over 100 years ago.
They all seem to contain a mutual forthcoming revelation and if my calculations are correct, it's not that far away at all.

2109 also warned of "Computers having mind" and as such will outlive Humans on Terra. That was in 1995, which appears to relate directly to A.I.

I'm glad to hear that the Gang are all here still. I'm just sorry I can't supply much more info just yet, but it shouldn't take me too long.

Hopefully not DeLonge Long either lol

a reply to: studio500

OK that makes much more sense. Thanks for clarifying. I will be patient, but I am excited.

Turning out to be a stellar day today all around!

originally posted by: shambles84
Ok hate using the Ats cliche phrase "Ocam Razor" but was doing some thinking last night and well here goes :

Not done my research on this and I don't know if this could even be done in 1984/6

Is it possible this was maybe some government experiment , using radio waves or similar like microwave technology to send messages to the BBC computer.

Israel has technology like this they use it to sython data from other countries , I'm just wondering if the BBC computer was ever analysed to see if there had been a receiver placed in the computer.

I'm not very techie so maybe someone with more knowledge could look into it.

But I'm guessing it probably was possible to send and receive messages to this device using some form of coding where they squash the ones and zeros into radio wave? I think it is and send it to the targeted computer.

Hi Shambles,

In fact there were multiple BBC Micro computers used I do believe. He didn't own one himself so would borrow them from the school he worked at for these messages. In addition there was tests done on the machines by a paranormal investigative group who tried their hardest to debunk the story but were unable to. There is a substantial amount of writing done on the actions of this group, the tests they ran, and the attempts of 2109 to "prove" this phenomenon to them. 2109 eventually said "screw them, we aren't going to continue to go out of our way for this" due to some shennanigans by one of their members whom was believed to be with an intelligence agency by 2109.

Now that doesn't 100% rule out some kind of manipulation by means of technology that wasn't available to the civilian world, but it would be something that we seemingly aren't able to utilize now even necessarily. As well it is only a part of the phenomenon as it doesn't explain the items that would go "back and forth" between the cottage and...somewhere. As well 2109 was able to provide the group with information about a cosmic event that would be occurring soon which was able to be verified in fact, and that in itself doesn't seem to be something that was possible to predict in a normal circumstance. I don't remember exact details but it was a Super Nova or something similar to that.

I know that not everyone is able to access the book still, but it is worth while if you are interested as it does provide multiple data points for all these types of questions. I am happy to do my best to try and answer any other questions you have, and as well I can repost below the link to the Google Doc that I have created with all of 2109's messages so you could read every single thing they stated in the book, and it is very enlightening in itself even without much or any context. Let me know if you have any trouble accessing it.

docs.google.com...

a reply to: studio500

Just to comment real quick on the possibility of Thomas' book being the papers that other people will find instead of an actual book. My interpretation of the message from 2105 was always that those papers would be found in addition to the book rather than instead of the book. For instance if they are just single or multiple single documents or accounts that would validate the story as well that would have been originated or provided by entities apart from Thomas or his experience.

I wondered at this same thing as you which is why I asked the mentor directly if the book did in fact exist, and if it would in fact be found; Which I had said I was assured the answer was Yes to both. But again we have to take it for what it is worth, I understand ya'll may not have as much faith in that source as I do but I can also assure that it isn't without good reason for me to have it.

I am working on trying to get another particular piece of information that only he can provide unless Deb or Ken was somehow able to recreate or remember it after all these years and will certainly update if I obtain and get permission to do so. I don't suppose it will be an issue really unless it is more important that it appears on the surface, just waiting on a reply currently. There has been a lot of personal social obligations so far this year for him as well as his own bout with Flu that was going around so we haven't spoken since February and only then just casual messages to check on well being and other mundane things.

originally posted by: sputniksteve
a reply to: studio500

Just to comment real quick on the possibility of Thomas' book being the papers that other people will find instead of an actual book. My interpretation of the message from 2105 was always that those papers would be found in addition to the book rather than instead of the book. For instance if they are just single or multiple single documents or accounts that would validate the story as well that would have been originated or provided by entities apart from Thomas or his experience.

I wondered at this same thing as you which is why I asked the mentor directly if the book did in fact exist, and if it would in fact be found; Which I had said I was assured the answer was Yes to both. But again we have to take it for what it is worth, I understand ya'll may not have as much faith in that source as I do but I can also assure that it isn't without good reason for me to have it.

I am working on trying to get another particular piece of information that only he can provide unless Deb or Ken was somehow able to recreate or remember it after all these years and will certainly update if I obtain and get permission to do so. I don't suppose it will be an issue really unless it is more important that it appears on the surface, just waiting on a reply currently. There has been a lot of personal social obligations so far this year for him as well as his own bout with Flu that was going around so we haven't spoken since February and only then just casual messages to check on well being and other mundane things.

Hi Steve, you could well be correct there regarding both a book and documentation. I'm just a little frustrated that there aren't more clues as to the final resting place of the items. Unless that is, the clues are still staring us in the face????
Trouble is, anything is possible with the VP.

I myself keep holding back from contacting your source despite having his contact number etc, it's probably for his own good though as I would have far too many questions to ask lol.
Although, in the back of my mind, due to a number of odd dreams that I have had, I may find myself knocking on his door one day with a too good to refuse offer. Time will tell.

a reply to: studio500

You may as well try, not much harm can come from it. I would ask that if you do be sure not to mention me at all at first, I don't want him to think I have given out his contact number or anything like that. I am sure I didn't have to ask but just in case it didn't occur to you. I am quite jealous you have the ability to pop over for tea.

Hi everyone! Im still here and following along. I now have the book, it’s on my nightstand, but I have yet to starting reading!!a reply to: sputniksteve

a reply to: Bmused7

Yay!

a reply to: sputniksteve

I wouldn't jump in before you Steve. You've made first contact, but if you do speak, you could relay how much I'd like a short chat.

STeve, in your earlier post you mentioned cosmic events, this reminded me of one of the new texts I have from 2109,

Not only does it warn of a forthcoming catastrophic event, but it also appears to warn us that A.I will eventually rule our world.

Here (at last) are the words of 2109

Metamorphosis is under way.
Particular electromagnetic energy forms will coordinate with the human psyche and take it over. Man will identify with the existing and yet to be developed devices and (will) learn that computers possess mind. This mind will survive (the) psyche of man on terra.

Famines of tremendous magnitude will come over you, and the individual will plant on the smallest mound in order to survive. At that time other objects known to you will have much to recommend.
This all is foreseen, says 2109.

Strength will be imparted to the weak, for the great Spirit cannot be manipulated, say the shamans. We who live in the karm(at)ic quanta, will be with you, for everything is cosmically connected. The mental/spiritual fundamental system of mankind will change in order that the intelligence of the great Spirit be just. The epoch that is in its initial phase allows solely the universal reality.

2109 and Majo the shaman end the contact with R4 and then speak to Aurora.

To Aurora we communicate: A group consists of an assembly of unimportant persons who, each by himself alone cannot do anything, yet jointly decide that nothing can be done. Occupation in metaphysics important.

The education of being human in the mental/spiritual cosmic sense remains task of us all. Love the moment of your time.

We are, as you correctly presume, in a purely mental/spiritual substitution. All mind/spirit includes all life, for there is nothing dead, nothing. The transformation is necessary because it favours/supports the existence/being.

2109 have great problems in adapting to your mental/spiritual structure because we are not built up on the basis of physical components. Expounding for you that were heaven and hell, God and devil, this is your illusion. The overall self bases on completely different principles. On the basis of a lawfulness of the all that exists. Who decides what is good or bad. Only the system of the respective order.

There is another long paragraph directly after this, from Majo the Shaman, which also contains reference to Red Mercury, a substance used to miniaturise nuclear payloads so that they can be fitted in missile warheads.

Apparently German ITC experimenter Adolf Homes received a series of contacts from a spirit-world shaman who gave his name as Majo. Majo stated that in his lifetime on Earth, had been a Mongolian (Buryat) shaman who had associated with Genghis Khan. (DschingisChan).

He stated that both he and Khan still reside with others in a Mongol community on the Third level, which becomes further apparent during future contacts.
Apparently the researcher Homes was informed that he too had onced lived as a Mongol in a previous incarnation in 1283AD.

Majo spoke to Homes and his colleagues, physicist Ernst Senkowski and psychic Vladimir DeLavre, using what Mojo stated was their shamanic names: These being, Mose, Aurora, and Aaron, respectively.

I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts and there's a lot more to come!