House moves to eliminate Obamacare penalty to people who don't buy it

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: allsee4eye


So, you don't live in fear. Nor do I. Who is going to pay your hospital bills If you get sick, or in an accident??? They don't call an accident an accident, because you did it on purpose!!! DERP.....case and point, my friend was diagnosed with MS, at age 35, do you have ANY IDEA how much money it cost her per month???? One of her meds has a COPAY of $300......You not being insured shows you are ignorant.....Period, end of story.

You still do not understand the issue. People need insurance. Granted. But people do not need someone like you telling them what insurance to buy. You are being extremist and dictatorial and calling people stupid if they don't agree with you. That's just idiotic. Take your (i.e.: stfu) signs and apply them to yourself. The issue is far more nuanced than you would have us believe. Let your friend with MS get the insurance she needs. Let me get the insurance I need. Get it through your head here. The issue is the government FORCING you to buy insurance the GOVERNMENT THINKS you need. Neither you nor the government has the information needed to make an assessment of what anyone needs. As likely as not, it's based on politics more than it is on facts. I don't want you in the loop here telling me what to do. You are incompetent to do so. That's the basic issue here. We have incompetent people forcing us to do their bidding. You do not have the right to do that. That's why the individual mandate is going to be repealed. There are enough people angry about this to force a repeal. And it doesn't really matter what you have to say about it. The idea is to get you and government out of our lives. We never asked you to be there, and now you can (stfu) yourself.

Penalizing someone for something they can't afford to begin with is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. "You have to have this. We're going to stick an exorbitant fee on it and if you can't afford it, we're going to penalize you for not being able to afford it."

Although INSURANCE companies are culpable... the reason for this is spineless politicians who won't allow the law to be enforced.

When a woman gets bitten by a scorpion, goes to the hospital and is given 2 doses of scorpion anti-venom, then receives a bill from the hospital for $83,000.00, that's an indicator something is wrong... before you get to the insurance part of this.

The scorpion anti-venom was acquired by the hospital for $100 per dose.

This is just one case out of MILLIONS like it.

Where insurance companies come in is the percentage of profits. They will raise their rates to make sure their actuarial risk equation continues, so they are paying out less than they are taking in.

Sure... they DO "go along to get along" because higher bills for medical care mean higher bills for premiums. But the entire issue is about the Medical Industrial Complex and its illegal monopoly behavior.

When Americans stop believing the bulls**t the media keeps telling them about this issue, and simplifies it to what it actually is... we are being fleeced and f**ked by both the medical industry... and the politicians who CONTINUE to allow them to get away with it.

To make my point... most folks reading this are focused on the insurance industry as the source of the problem. See there? You're not even in the neighborhood of WHERE this problem actually lives. You have been SCAMMED. The media and their politicians are telling you... "look over THERE!" because they WANT you looking in the wrong place. When... IF... people ever wake up and realize how much they are getting f**ked by the entire political establishment on this issue... there will be big changes.

...and no, I am not Karl Denninger... but he's 100% spot on about this issue.

WAKE THE F**K UP PEOPLE

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: kurthall

If I get sick, I pay out of pocket. So far, I'm in my 30s and I've never gotten sick. I have plenty of savings in the bank. I don't need insurance companies to pay my medical expenses if I do get sick. I have a degree in statistics. Insurance companies calculate how much to charge you to make money for themselves at the expense of their clients. Same as casinos and lotteries, insurance has an expected gain for the the insurer and an expected loss for the insured.

Your avatar says you live in Canada. You don't need to "buy" insurance up here, if you don't have any, never paid, never registered (done differently in each province), you still get covered if needed for all the basics, hospital, etc. If you want a tv in your hospital room, that's under privatized insurance or out of pocket. Or dental, vision care, ambulance, extras....
There's no penalty here for not having it, no catch up payments. They just backdate coverage and fix you.

It's an apples to elephants comparison.

a reply to: snowspirit
Don't bother, he lost his credibility when he claims to NEVER EVER get sick, nor has he ever been.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I've never been to hospital. This part is accurate.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: havok

They didn't cover preexisting conditions prior to the ACA. That's the issue. The individual mandate allowed insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions without taking a huge loss or charging obscene amounts.

You do realize that mandatory edicts from a merger of state & corporate power is Text Fascism. Therefore this anti-mandatory move is true anti-Fascism.

a reply to: kurthall

Of course it doesn't, one should have health insurance.

However, being forced to by something, or pay a penalty? Really? What's right about this?

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I've only had the flu once in 16 years. Nothing more than a semi-snifflie nose for no more than a day, or certain days when I could taste that almost metal looming flu onset taste in the back of my throat where I thought a bad flu was coming on, but then it never did. And the flu I got last year was an extreme set of circumstances.

I have sprained my ankle once during this time, but didn't need the hospital just to get an ace bandage. And stuff more minor like that from my extremist work ethic. Lots of cuts, that's what super glue is for.

Basically my entire adult life sick free (because I'm in the deep south now where I belong). Never had a flu shot. A lot of hangovers over the years though!

Insurance is the problem, not the solution...

originally posted by: Mandroid7

In 2015, the IRS collected $3 billion in penalties from 6.5 million people who opted out of Obamacare, The Times reported.

Refund now you b!/ches

Out of those 6.5 million, how many were hospitalized or had emergency room visits.....Surely you don't think out of 6.5 million none had major medical incidences, who paid for their hospital stays? I bet most of those who are uninsured are young and think they are invincible. Of coarse there are also those who literally can not afford it. Make to much to get it free, not enough to pay for it on their own....

Those who can afford it, SHOULD be fined

a reply to: kurthall

Define "who can afford it".

Please be thorough.

Thanks!

PS: For extra credit describe for us WHO would be competent enough to determine each individual that this would apply to.

a reply to: kurthall

Those who can afford it, SHOULD be fined

Why? They've done nothing wrong. Other than not buy a coercive product that they may not even need. So, why?

Not sure what all the fuss is here, it is possible to opt out of Obamacare. I did,and it was very easy. I just didn't pay my energy bill until I got a shutoff notice. Photocopied it and sent it to the address they supply on the website. They sent me a code to enter on my tax form and presto no penalty.

Now that said that info is deeply buried on the site, but I found it.website link

There's always a way, sometimes it may take a bit of effort.

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: allsee4eye
e 22 year old who later ends up in a catastrophic car accident and racks up 2 million in hospital bills. Healthy and young does not mean you don't need insurance.

So, if I drive a car, I'll buy car insurance, and get that specific coverage I need.

I don't have to drive a car. I can sell the car. Then, I can walk.

But, I can't get rid of my body, the same way, when the law says that by body needs insurance.

I'm stuck with my body.

I no longer have "choice".

a reply to: allsee4eye

Our medical system is guilty of price gouging-collusion-and anti-trust violations. Every time they charge a patient whatever cost they say, it is another count. Remember every time you use our medical system they have Vegas beat.


Insurance companies respond to the prices. Of course they make some good money too to make sure the trains run on time.

I've been a lucky one. I don't make enough for them to charge me.

originally posted by: ConscienceZombie
I've been a lucky one. I don't make enough for them to charge me.

Heh, me either..

Common wisdom dictates that the initial deductible be satisfied before Obamacare medicaid pays anything.
That is often a prohibitive barrier higher than the Trump wall unless you own a mansion in Lakewood NJ how can you afford it?
On the other hand how do you prevent abuse of a single payer system unless the medical community radically changes and self disciplines against fraudulent over treatment?

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
Penalizing someone for something they can't afford to begin with is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. "You have to have this. We're going to stick an exorbitant fee on it and if you can't afford it, we're going to penalize you for not being able to afford it."

Yeah, well as opposed to putting the blame on those who lobby this legislation and ensure it becomes a legal precedent, I regularly see people blaming poor people.... for being poor.

I was at WalMart yesterday and a 25-26 year old dude was crying because his card had been declined for groceries. He only gets paid once a month (at the beginning), and he couldn't even afford monthly groceries.

In the eyes of big-government, these people should be punished further, and the partisan-fangirls on BOTH sides of the spectrum are in absolute agreement.

If they weren't, they'd stop voting for and supporting this perpetual BS.