House moves to eliminate Obamacare penalty to people who don't buy it

a reply to: kurthall

If I get sick, I pay out of pocket. So far, I'm in my 30s and I've never gotten sick. I have plenty of savings in the bank. I don't need insurance companies to pay my medical expenses if I do get sick. I have a degree in statistics. Insurance companies calculate how much to charge you to make money for themselves at the expense of their clients. Same as casinos and lotteries, insurance has an expected gain for the the insurer and an expected loss for the insured.

a reply to: allsee4eye
in my 30's and never gotten sick, lol at obvious lie. You should make sure to differentiate between sickness that requires hospitalization, and the occasional seasonal influenza type sick that most grown adults who are not whiny sissies or with pre-existing medical conditions simply work through and push out after 2 or 3 days.

If you tell me you have not even ever had that, than all your credibility will be shot right now for being an obvious liar.

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: allsee4eye


I have read some really stupid comments on why people don't "need" health coverage over the past couple of years. "I am healthy and young" Yeah, said the 22 year old who later ends up in a catastrophic car accident and racks up 2 million in hospital bills. Healthy and young does not mean you don't need insurance.

If I, or anyone else, does not want to buy health insurance, they should not be forced to.

It's called their choice....no one else can or should make it for them, thanks.

a reply to: allsee4eye

There are some ailments that arise, that you simply cannot have enough "money in the bank" to cover. It seems you may be either out of touch with medical expenses, or are simply being willfully ignorant just to argue your point. I think as a country we should look beyond that though and stop being so damn proud of our points that it erodes the nation as a whole.

Though, I will say this, the mandate was a birth defect from day one. Stupid and oppressive.

originally posted by: NightFlight
Don't stop there, get rid of the IRS!

Remove the following illegal taxes also.... Income tax, estate and inheritance tax, and every other tax that removes wealth accumulation and acquisition power from average people.

There should only be sales taxes on Americans for commerce.

Those are the only legal taxes, all else including the federal reserve's interest charges are ILLEGAL .

Restore our sovereignty!

Insurance works like casinos and lotteries. They use statistics to scam the public. They make money because they are expected to win based on statistics and the public is expected to lose based on statistics. Some people win at casino and lottery, but most lose. Some people gain from insurance, but most lose.

a reply to: tadaman

estate and inheritance tax.

These two are actually easy enough to bypass by investing in a whole life insurance policy for your heirs. Its how the wealthy families have been passing chunks of their money down the line with minimal to no taxes for centuries. Mutual insurance companies with at least a century in existence preferred.

a reply to: allsee4eye

I don't think anyone argues that point much. It is a gamble.


I think the argument is more one of when its just YOU that you need to worry about, its not a huge deal...live and die any way you choose, it gets a whole lot more complex when providing for family needs come into play.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Thanks for the point! You have no idea how helpful this is.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I won't try to convince you but you should look very carefully at new plan. It has hidden penalties without being called penalties, that I think will create more harm.

a reply to: alphabetaone

It's not a gamble. They collect statistics. They win. Their clients lose. If they don't win, they would be out of business.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I don't have all the answers.
But the one answer I do have is not to fine people because they don't want (or can't afford) government mandated insurance. People with pre-existing conditions should have every right to insurance as the rest. But that's an entire other topic.

The solution is for costs to come way down, and I think a few posters already stated how insurance companies are driving prices up.

a reply to: allsee4eye

Should refund the penalties already collected.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: alphabetaone

It's not a gamble. They collect statistics. They win. Their clients lose. If they don't win, they would be out of business.

Yes it is. You're gambling that you wont need healthcare and can always afford it out of pocket, according to you. There's a chance you will lose that bet.

a reply to: alphabetaone

I don't gamble. I don't buy insurance. I don't get sick.

a reply to: havok

Don't get me wrong. I think insurance companies need to go. But other than a single payer system there's not exactly anyway to limit the power of insurance companies.

I don't want to pay for anything with the name Obama on it.

The Obamacare Penalty... and what's really wrong with the "health care" debate.

The premise is... that as a 22-year-old male (for example)... should I be forced to pay for an over-weighted risk assessment that includes coverage for gynecological care and a host of other things that are literally impossible for me have because I am not a woman?

But get this... the Obamacare "specialists" will tell you... "...you aren't paying extra for that... it's automatically part of the coverage... there's no extra charge because it's there."

Well heck... what a great deal! No extra charge for it... but my premium is up 150% over 2 years and my deductible has gone from 2500 to 10,000.

Bottom line... the only reason we are having this debate at all, is because neither Democrats or Republicans... including Trump... will not start enforcing criminal penalties for racketeering and influence peddling, and monopoly behavior.

When you want to buy goods or services... and the vendor has no stated price, and arbitrarily charges you based on your economic status or whether you have insurance... THAT IS PATENTLY ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR.

The laws to prosecute this scam are over 150 years old... explicitly prohibit what takes place in the medical industry, and have felony penalties with prison time for the crimes.

FIX HEALTH CARE... ENFORCE THE F**KING LAW!!!!

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: alphabetaone

I don't gamble. I don't buy insurance. I don't get sick.

I appreciate you doing your part to bring down the costs of healthcare!

Now we just need about 300 million more people to do the same, and it will start to correct.... but most people seem to be too ignorant to how this all works to see that insurance is the cause of overpriced healthcare in the first place.

Short-sighted nonsense... Tear it all down!

a reply to: lordcomac

Good point. People know casinos and lotteries and insurance are scammers. They continue to use their services. Go figure.