Maybe lazy people are right?

a reply to: redhorse

I don't know, I decided to work as an artist about five years ago. I've never worked so hard in my damn life. I am extremely blessed, I look forward to work everyday, but put in a lot of hours.

Most people that ask what I do seem to think that being an artist is a pretty cool profession. While I am fortunate to do what I love, it's still a job. Requires a lot of self-discipline to be successful, and sometimes it's hard on the soul. You need thick skin in this profession, for sure.

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: redhorse


Hello Redhorse,


Reading your post about being an artist and making a home for your family, supporting your Husband at home, while he's out in the world making a living for your family, I wouldn't consider you lazy. Not even close.

But this:

You wax indignant and call people "entitled", when you are the most entitled of them all, and so utterly lacking in self awareness that you will never see that you are a far greater societal problem than any "welfare queen" or "pot smoking slacker" or whatever condescending title you want to toss out to make yourself feel better.

What's your rational for thinking that someone like the member you were responding to has a sense of entitlement greater than anyone else? What's the nature of his lack of self awareness, why is he a greater problem than any "welfare queen" or "pot smoking slacker"?

I'm very curious about the intellectual path you take to get to those assertions. Can you explain please?

In this country we equate wealth with character. I think that it is a persistent holdover from puritan values. Instead of seeing poverty as a result of bad luck, or unfortunate circumstances (which includes where we are born into that socio-economic matrix), instead we assume a moral failing in those who have less. The working poor look down on those who are on welfare and say that they are all "lazy" or "on drugs" or any number of things, the middle class look down on the working poor and say that they are "lazy" or "stupid", the wealthy look down on all of us and assign the same character judgements listed above and then some more that are even more disgusting and unfounded.

It's a way to feel better about ourselves by demeaning others. As a slight aside, in my experience, people on welfare usually have more empathy and oddly, a better work ethic than many of their "betters" further up that socio-economic pecking order. It's one of life's ironies that I keep tripping over.

The entitlement comes in when those who have more think that their status in life, (or in their mind, their superior work ethic, or... whatever innate character trait they use to create a false sense of superiority), means that they are entitled to judge anyone lower as Less Than they are. They are entitled to dehumanize people, and anytime that is built into the fabric of a society, that society is broken. By contributing to that rot, he is more of a problem than most people on welfare. In fact, he contributes to a far greater social illness than many (although not all) of those that would abuse the system, mostly because his moral failing is far more common and difficult to remedy because it is disguised as moral superiority. As he paints everyone with such a broad brush and with such bellicose, vitriol, this is indicative of a lack of self awareness. He is hiding his own moral failings behind the bluster and blow, but deep down, I think he knows, that's why he's so angry and adamant.

This is not to say, that there aren't lazy, awful, predatory people on welfare, there are. In my experience though, there are just as many in any social bracket, they are just less vulnerable and so more problematic to subject to such baseless judgement and dehumanization. Historically (for lack of a better word) anytime social mobility decreases in a given society, and it is decreasing in the United States, those moral judgements against those in a lower status become hardened and more pronounced, and those above get louder and more irate. It's one of the nastier psychosocial inevitabilities of human civilization, and it leads to far uglier, and more destabilizing issues than a welfare mom with six kids ever will.

originally posted by: artnut
a reply to: redhorse

I don't know, I decided to work as an artist about five years ago. I've never worked so hard in my damn life. I am extremely blessed, I look forward to work everyday, but put in a lot of hours.

Most people that ask what I do seem to think that being an artist is a pretty cool profession. While I am fortunate to do what I love, it's still a job. Requires a lot of self-discipline to be successful, and sometimes it's hard on the soul. You need thick skin in this profession, for sure.

I live in rural Montana, when I say I'm an artist, they're generally not impressed. It is a lot of hard work though, you're right especially these days. People can sure crank out good looking stuff quick in a digital medium. It's not my best event so it can be hard to stay competitive in terms of turnaround. People expect top quality work, fast, I mean really fast (for how quick I work at least).

a reply to: redhorse

Your fallacy in attacking me was that you confused lazy people with poor people. I never mentioned anything about the poor or less fortunate, only the lazy. Of course your love of "welfare queens" and "pot smoking slackers" probably inhibited you from discerning that fact.

a reply to: toysforadults

Laziness is death...but you are on the right track. Find something that makes spurs your passions and makes you want to get up and do something...anything.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
...while I am the problem?

Yes, slaves that slave away and want others to do so for the master could certainly be thought of as a problem.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
...while I am the problem?

Yes, slaves that slave away and want others to do so for the master could certainly be thought of as a problem.

So now working is considered slavery? What planet am I on? And if you would have read a little closer (maybe you were too lazy to do so?), I never said other people had to be "slaves", I just said stop making me support laziness with my tax dollars. If you want to be lazy, as I said, go ahead.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
...while I am the problem?

Yes, slaves that slave away and want others to do so for the master could certainly be thought of as a problem.

So now working is considered slavery? What planet am I on?

Your on planet slavery and your playing the leading role.

That's life as we know it guess, the prison has no visible walls yet the mind is firmly locked behind them.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
...while I am the problem?

Yes, slaves that slave away and want others to do so for the master could certainly be thought of as a problem.

So now working is considered slavery? What planet am I on?

Your on planet slavery and your playing the leading role.

That's life as we know it guess, the prison has no visible walls yet the mind is firmly locked behind them.

How is food going to be grown, or transported, without people working? How are goods going to be made, or services rendered, without working? Seems like "slavery" is quite necessary.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
So now working is considered slavery? What planet am I on?

No, it was an example and a figure of speech.

And if you would have read a little closer (maybe you were too lazy to do so?), I never said other people had to be "slaves", I just said stop making me support laziness with my tax dollars. If you want to be lazy, as I said, go ahead.

Nobody is making you support laziness with your tax dollars. The government steals your money, which then becomes theirs and they choose to do what they will with it.

You do believe that lazy people, assuming they can work, should not be getting welfare, right? It al ends up being the same. You think they should work to have that money in their hands. It wasn't just a matter of being lazy it was a combo deal, no work = no money so, if they want money they have to work "like you".

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
So now working is considered slavery? What planet am I on?

No, it was an example and a figure of speech.

And if you would have read a little closer (maybe you were too lazy to do so?), I never said other people had to be "slaves", I just said stop making me support laziness with my tax dollars. If you want to be lazy, as I said, go ahead.

Nobody is making you support laziness with your tax dollars. The government steals your money, which then becomes theirs and they choose to do what they will with it.

You do believe that lazy people, assuming they can work, should not be getting welfare, right? It al ends up being the same. You think they should work to have that money in their hands. It wasn't just a matter of being lazy it was a combo deal, no work = no money so, if they want money they have to work "like you".

Government steals my money because that's what people have voted for. Yes, I am being forced.

Your 2nd paragraph is nonsensical. If you are lazy, then why should you be entitled to another's hard-earned money? If you are working, and still need assistance, then I have no problem with that.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Government steals my money because that's what people have voted for. Yes, I am being forced.

You are being forced to hand it over. Nobody is asking you where it should be spent.

Your 2nd paragraph is nonsensical. If you are lazy, then why should you be entitled to another's hard-earned money? If you are working, and still need assistance, then I have no problem with that.

So if people are working "like you" but need assistance then they are entitled?

You just proved my point. According to you; lazy = no assistance. If they are "slaving away" then it's ok if they get welfare.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Government steals my money because that's what people have voted for. Yes, I am being forced.

You are being forced to hand it over. Nobody is asking you where it should be spent.

Your 2nd paragraph is nonsensical. If you are lazy, then why should you be entitled to another's hard-earned money? If you are working, and still need assistance, then I have no problem with that.

So if people are working "like you" but need assistance then they are entitled?

You just proved my point. According to you; lazy = no assistance. If they are "slaving away" then it's ok if they get welfare.

You keep bringing up this term "like you", and you are even putting it in quotes, as though it is something I have said, even though it has never appeared in my posts. I guess if you have to put words in my mouth to make your argument work, go for it.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
You keep bringing up this term "like you", and you are even putting it in quotes, as though it is something I have said, even though it has never appeared in my posts. I guess if you have to put words in my mouth to make your argument work, go for it.

I'm just using quotes to emphasize those terms. Not because you have said them but because they allude to what I posted.

Either way, you just said that people that are working have a right to assistance. People who are not working don't. My point was that people who see things like this are similar to "slaves that slave away and want others to do so". It isn't even really about you you or your exact words but those feel this way and those who see that as a problem.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
...while I am the problem?

Yes, slaves that slave away and want others to do so for the master could certainly be thought of as a problem.

So now working is considered slavery? What planet am I on?

Your on planet slavery and your playing the leading role.

That's life as we know it guess, the prison has no visible walls yet the mind is firmly locked behind them.

How is food going to be grown, or transported, without people working? How are goods going to be made, or services rendered, without working? Seems like "slavery" is quite necessary.

Most people would work together to make the place better if given the right environment.

I will give one of many examples here, you think everyone should pay for their own healthcare, and you are happy to pay for your own and nobody else's, you dislike the idea of universal healthcare because you think it to be unaffordable .

Now this is the kicker, you are paying for everyone else's healthcare because they cannot afford it, so the bill that gets left is payed by the tax payer and your higher insurance costs. So you are against universal healthcare even though essentially that's what you have. You are simply paying more than you should be, while thinking its all good.

a reply to: musicismagic

"I always said, when the Chinese gain their freedom (which the rich have by the way) the great US of A will loose its freedom. Am I right on this? Appreciate your thoughts on this."

Yes you are right because what is happening in the US is that the roll out of the global agenda is more advanced there than in other parts of the world, hence the people in the US feel much more of the sting the NWO roll out carries.

Someone described it excellantly recently when they said the roll out of the gloabl agenda is like the coming of the darkness of the night. We all see the sun setting but its still daylight so its no big deal. When the sun disappears behind the horizon, the darkness decends quickly and its soon night time. This is when we know its too late to do what we should have done when the sun was still up.

This is what is happening in the US. The NWO or the global agenda is not confined to the US, but its most advanced there thats why the Americians you see are tired, stressed and fearfull.

THe roll out of the global agenda is most advanced in the US becase when they get the US the rest will quickly follow.

There is over 100 things in this list but I thought you would get the idea from these 20 or so.

This is a transcript of two out of three tapes on the “New World System” recorded in 1988, published at rense.com. They are Dr. Lawrence Dunegan’s recollections of a lecture he attended on March 20, 1969 at a meeting of the Pittsburgh Pediatric Society. The speaker was Richard Day, MD. (See rense.com) Dunegan first revealed this on the Randy Engels radio show. His son is now creating a website to preserve the tapes.
The following is an abbreviation (boldings by Mary Maxwell):
1. Everything is in place and nobody can stop us now.
2. He [Dr Day] indicated that there is much more co-operation between East and West than most people realise.
3. Most people don’t understand how governments operate and even people in high positions in governments don’t really understand how and where decisions are made.
4. People who really influence decisions are names that for the most part would be familiar to most of us, but he would not use individuals’ names — people of prominence who were primarily known in their private occupations.
5. His purpose in telling our group about these changes that were to be brought about was to make it easier for us to adapt to these changes.
6. One of the statements had to do with change. “People will have to get used to the idea of change, so used to change, that they’ll be expecting change. Nothing will be permanent.” This in the context of a society where people seemed to have no roots or moorings, but would be passively willing to accept change simply because it was all they had ever known.
7. “People are too trusting, they don’t ask the right questions.”
8. “Everything has two purposes. One is the ostensible purpose which will make it acceptable to people and second is the real purpose which would further the goals of establishing the new system.
9. Numbers of people living at any one time on the planet must be limited or we will run out of space to live. We will outgrow our food supply and pollute the world with our waste.
10. People won’t be allowed to have babies just because they want to. Some people would be allowed only one, however outstanding people might be selected and allowed to have three.
11. Contraceptives would be displayed more prominently in drug stores, right up with the cigarettes and chewing gum. Contraceptives would be advertised and also dispensed in the schools in association with sex education!
12. Sex Education is a tool of world government. Many cities in the United States by this time have already set up school-based clinics, which are primarily contraception, birth control, population control clinics.
13. Now back in 1969, four years before Roe vs. Wade, he said, “Abortion will no longer be a crime.” 14. “People will be given permission to be homosexual.” 15. Clothing would be more stimulating and provocative. Bras would be thinner and softer allowing more natural movement.
14. Divorce would be made easier and more prevalent. More people will not marry. Unmarried people would stay in hotels and even live together. That would be very common.
15. More women will work outside the home. More men will be transferred to other cities and in their jobs, more men would travel. Therefore, it would be harder for families to stay together. This would tend to make the marriage relationship less stable. Travel would be easier, less expensive, for a while, so that people who did have to travel would feel they could get back to their families…. Rather a diabolical approach to this whole thing!
16. Everybody has a right to live only so long. The old are no longer useful. They become a burden. Some things that would help people realize that they had lived long enough, e.g., the use of very pale printing ink on forms that are necessary to fill out. Older people wouldn’t be able to read the pale ink as easily and would need to go to younger people for help.
17. Automobile — there would be more high-speed traffic lanes that older people with their slower reflexes would have trouble dealing with and thus, loses some of their independence.
18. The cost of medical care would be made burdensomely high. Medical care would be connected very closely with one’s work but also would be made very, very high in cost so that it would simply be unavailable to people beyond a certain time.
19. The young would become agreeable to helping Mom and Dad along the way, provided this was done humanely and with dignity. Then the example was – there could be a nice, farewell party, a real celebration. Mom and Dad had done a good job. Then after the party’s over they take the ‘demise pill’.
20. There would be profound changes in the practice of medicine. Overall, it would be much more tightly controlled. “Congress is not going to go along with national health insurance, it is now, abundantly evident. But it’s not necessary, we have other ways to control health care”. Costs would be forced up so that people won’t be able to afford to go without insurance. People pay for it, you’re entitled to it. Your role being responsible for your own care would be diminished.

a reply to: toysforadults

Ten years ago I lived in Ghana for a couple of months and I loved it, although I couldn't live there permanently. Ghanians are really nice friendly people, and I felt safe all the time. We lived in Accra, and I think it was the Nungua area.

Positive things about Ghana: the people, how relaxed you feel there, the clear air and nature you find outside the city, the beaches, fresh fruits, the simplicity of it all... time seemed to go slower.

Negatives: I couldn't stand such hot weather and humidity (hence I couldn't live there too long), the lack of museums/libraries, healthcare is not ideal, if you want to buy European products they are really really expensive (I remember paying almost £5 for a box of cereals).

We ended up staying a night in a small village North of Accra, a village that had no electricity and we slept outside, looking at a starry sky so impressive....... never seen a night sky as beautiful as that. Then seeing the locals all gathered by a big fire in the middle of the village, sharing food, talking, looking after each other's children, made me realize we have lost that human connection a bit, that incredible sense of community where they are more like family. That was one of the best days of my life, it was memorable.

Ghanian food is an acquired taste too but I ended up loving it and I even learned how to cook some dishes which I still make (all very spicy! lol), Jollof rice being one of them. Some people didn't like it, but I also enjoyed eating Kenkey and banku, accompanied by fish or meat and hot pepper sauce (#o pepper burns like fire but it's really nice).

I am not in touch anymore with the people I met, but my ex husband is and if you have any questions I can ask him if you want. If you can tolerate the heat, humidity and the 'sleepiness' of living there, then Ghana is a gorgeous country with beautiful people. I will visit again one day.

Good luck!

First off, there's not a damn thing wrong with having the things you want. I think that anyone in this country who works should be able to afford more than they need. We may have to end capitalism to do that, but that's OK. We can keep more of our hard earned money without it. Let go of it already.

Second, I don't mind my taxes paying to help the needy. I feel like we have that social responsibility to each other. Some people aren't lazy, they're out of work, disabled, ect.

In conclusion, what I would like to see at the very least is the adoption of the European work model. Short days, higher pay, more vacation time, ect. AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE TO HAVE THIS IN AMERICA.

Thre lazy people are right? Dunno about that. What's wrong in working hard and enjoying it? You can get a buzz from working hard. For men especially, I believe it is only natural to be the hunter going out and bringing back food for the table, hard work in this way is natural specifically for the male. It is nature in itself.

We Americans are taxed to death! Our 'government' proclaims to have a better claim on the fruits of our labor and our property that we ourselves do. This is NOT freedom nor liberty, it is out and out tyranny. If you do not give government what they decide to take, they will take your property and or put you in jail. The politicians and public servants have a lot to answer for in final judgment. Many people either consciously or subconsciously feel this today. And many have lost the desire to work for so little return. Some say it's lazy, but I say it is an inevitable consequence of tyranny.