What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Exaggerate?

Lest do DNA first. Recover remains from the pentagon and establish persons stationed at the pentagon vs flight crew and passengers of flight 77.

So you are talking about people that survived the pentagon that witnessed remains and jet wreckage. The recovery crews and first responders that collected the human remains probably in conjunction with a coroner's office. The lab that conducted the DNA tests to get the remains to the right military families, pentagon worker's families, the flight crew families, and the passenger's families. Then the coroner's office that held remains, document the human remains being held, oversaw DNA testing, and issued death certificates.

Flight 77. The airport staff and airlines staff that load luggage and persons on flight 77. Then who loaded the fake flight 77 with luggage and human DNA from who knows where. Personal to modify the fake flight 77, a control stations to fly fake flight 77, workers to load fake 77. Harvesters to gather the human DNA for fake 77. A airstrip to launch fake 77. Then did fake 77 fly low under the radar? Or is all of air traffic control and NORAD part of the conspiracy. All the regional control towers all the way way to Indianapolis?

Then retrieving the flight that took off as flight 77. The planted family histories and financial records that bought passage in flight 77. Again, did the jet fly low under radar? Was all air traffic control in on the conspiracy. The landing field that received flight 77. The workers that processed the passengers and the flight 77 jet?

And that is just for starts.......

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

If you were planing on hijackers that intended to hijack a plane to hit the pentagon, why modify the jet? Especially if they didn't use remote control jets for the towers?

a reply to: neutronflux

You're in serious denial about just how bad a pilot HH was. You post to this thread like it's your job defending the official story at every turn.

Are you not in favor of them releasing the video so all of this discussion could come to a close?

a reply to: m1kelowry

More like common sense and pointing out the hypocrisy of conspiracists that defend those that exploit 9/11 by hiding facts, misquotes, right out false narratives (flight 77 flew a constant four feet above the ground for example), cannot cite what "that maneuver" was, and use pictures out of context (like using the last hole punched out by the landing gear of flight 77 and asking where are the holes for the wings and engines.)

Not defending the official narrative. Just the reality flight 77 crashed into the pentagon, and how the desperation by conspiracists to find that one "smoking gun" makes them fools and stupid.

a reply to: m1kelowry

What videos? The freedom of information request lawsuits that forced the release of all pentagon video and confiscated video that had flight 77 captured?

What does video have to do with:
Over a hundred plus eyewitness attest to a large commercial jet hitting the pentagon.
DNA evidence that places the crew and passengers at the pentagon.
Surviving family members of flight 77 buried their dead.
Recovered flight 77 wreckage and remains of passenger luggage at the pentagon.
Radar and visual verification of flight 77 hitting the pentagon.


Do have the credibility to state what hit the pentagon if you don't think it was flight 77. Are you chicken?

a reply to: m1kelowry

Again. I have quoted from Scientists for 9/11 Truth that shows the only credible explanation for the pentagon is being hit by a large jet. I have quoted from them, all other theories for the evidence are virtually impossible. That large jet impact deniers are hurting the credibility of the truth movement. Items you have offered no rebuttal to, nor refuted. And I don't think Scientists for 9/11 Truth defend the official narrative. So, keep turning the knife in your dead cause.

Just remember, in the context of the conspiracist's all controlling government capable of carrying out murder on the scale of 9/11, only that in which the government wants posted is posted. By the above context, the truth movement is disinformation allowed by the government...... think about it......

a reply to: neutronflux

Just the fact that you believe there is not clear video of whatever happened shows how closed minded you are. Someone from a previous post said something about video practically being prehistoric back in 2001, but that isn't the case at all, especially with the Pentagon.

It's crazy to even consider they don't have a clear video. I can't explain why they haven't released it via request, but my guess is they do what they like.

originally posted by: m1kelowry
a reply to: neutronflux

Just the fact that you believe there is not clear video of whatever happened shows how closed minded you are. Someone from a previous post said something about video practically being prehistoric back in 2001, but that isn't the case at all, especially with the Pentagon.

It's crazy to even consider they don't have a clear video. I can't explain why they haven't released it via request, but my guess is they do what they like.

The video MUST exist because you can't believe it doesn't exist. That's how it works isn't it

originally posted by: m1kelowry
a reply to: neutronflux

Just the fact that you believe there is not clear video of whatever happened shows how closed minded you are. Someone from a previous post said something about video practically being prehistoric back in 2001, but that isn't the case at all, especially with the Pentagon.

It's crazy to even consider they don't have a clear video. I can't explain why they haven't released it via request, but my guess is they do what they like.

What? What proof do you there is any unreleased flight 77 video. This has been addressed endlessly on ATS.

While you ignore eyewitness accounts. Flight recorder data backed by radar data backed by visual confirmation by an inflight pilot. DNA evidence, coroner's reports, issuing of death certificates, and the release of human remains for burial.

Trial evidence, testimony, record of flight wreckage.

While the released security video of the pentagon shows a large jet hitting the pentagon.

And you don't have the credibility to offer a scenario to supersede a large jet strike and build supporting evidence?

a reply to: m1kelowry

What don't you get about an office complex that historically had security provided by manpower, an early security camera system built to maximize storage medium, used to capture low speed foot traffic and car check points using wide angle lens, had trouble capturing an image of a high speed jet beyond the design capabilities of the system, and in a region where regional radar provided monitoring of air space?

a reply to: m1kelowry

One side of the pentagon is over 900 feet long and 70 feet wide. What one camera in 2001 whould capture a whole side of the pentagon in any meaningful detail.

While you ignore a security checkpoint camera captured what hit the pentagon in the background.

a reply to: neutronflux

And what that parking lot camera showed was that whatever it captured was much too small to be a 757.

Are those at the pentagon laughing because they have provided fuel for yet another conspiracy theory? Perhaps.

a reply to: Salander

Actually, taking into account the distance the object was from the camera, it fit what a 757 at that distance through that lens would look like. Again, just more evidence showing it was a 757.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux

And what that parking lot camera showed was that whatever it captured was much too small to be a 757.

Are those at the pentagon laughing because they have provided fuel for yet another conspiracy theory? Perhaps.

Hhhhhhhhh.......

How many times have I quoted this? How many times have you refuted the quote?

Bringing Closure to the 9/11 Pentagon Debate
www.911truth.org...

Pentagon Security Videos:
Recent work on the video from two Pentagon security cameras shows that they captured images of the approaching, low-flying plane. In his paper “The 85 Pentagon Area Surveillance Cameras,” Ken Jenkins explains the images, how the date error came about, and the likely origins for the trailing white smoke. There is no evidence at this time that the government is withholding other images of the event captured by the surveillance cameras.

Ken Jenkins and David Chandler also recently took pairs of sequential images from the Pentagon surveillance video cameras, putting them together as you would see them in what is called a blink comparator. In this way, the image of the plane “pops out.” If you watch the image cycle a few times, the details of the plane are clearly visible. You can find the blink comparisons on David Chandler’s website, 911SpeakOut.org.

More on the distortion of the jet....

Blink Comparator Views of the Plane at the Pentagon
By David Chandler, based on prior work by Ken Jenkins
911speakout.org...

Except for the white smoke trail, the presence of a plane was not recognized by most people due to several factors:

The low contrast between the backlit plane and the complex background.

The extreme wide angle lens and low resolution of the video camera/recorder.

Some blurring due to the motion of the fast moving plane.

The small scale, low quality images that have circulated on the internet.

Sorry if I haven't been following this as closely as I should have done,but what is this footage from a second video camera as I've only seen the famous one from the security checkpoint?

a reply to: Imagewerx

To tell the truth, not sure?

More info

Video: Pentagon releases Flight 77 footage from 9/11
After years of wrangling, Judicial Watch finally gets the tapes released
By Jan Frel / AlterNet

www.alternet.org...

From their press release: "Judicial Watch originally filed a Freedom of Information Act request on December 15, 2004, seeking all records pertaining to September 11, 2001 camera recordings of the Pentagon attack from the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, Pentagon security cameras and the Virginia Department of Transportation. The Department of Defense admitted in a January 26, 2005 letter that it possessed a videotape responsive to Judicial Watch's request. However, the Pentagon refused to release the videotape because it was, "part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui." Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit on February 22, 2006 arguing that there was "no legal basis" for the Defense Department's refusal to release the tape."

a reply to: Salander


There are always non believers in any story line.
Your non belief in a 757 doesn't change reality.
You merely back yourself into a corner with little wiggle room.
To believe in no plane then you must have alternative beliefs in most other aspects of the day.

For your belief (no plane) to be true you must have proof to substantiate all the other aspects.
How the light poles fell.
Passengers bodies transported inside the pentagon in the takeoff/crash timelframe.
100 witnesses lying through their teeth as to seeing a passenger plane.
Other pilots watching the plane hit from the air.
Many others.

Without this proof you are believing in unicorns.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Salander

Actually, taking into account the distance the object was from the camera, it fit what a 757 at that distance through that lens would look like. Again, just more evidence showing it was a 757.

Nonsense, pure bunk.

Remember this post you have yet to offer a rebuttal to.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Bringing Closure to the 9/11 Pentagon Debate
www.911truth.org...

Pentagon Security Videos:
Recent work on the video from two Pentagon security cameras shows that they captured images of the approaching, low-flying plane. In his paper “The 85 Pentagon Area Surveillance Cameras,” Ken Jenkins explains the images, how the date error came about, and the likely origins for the trailing white smoke. There is no evidence at this time that the government is withholding other images of the event captured by the surveillance cameras.

Ken Jenkins and David Chandler also recently took pairs of sequential images from the Pentagon surveillance video cameras, putting them together as you would see them in what is called a blink comparator. In this way, the image of the plane “pops out.” If you watch the image cycle a few times, the details of the plane are clearly visible. You can find the blink comparisons on David Chandler’s website, 911SpeakOut.org.

More on the distortion of the jet....

Blink Comparator Views of the Plane at the Pentagon
By David Chandler, based on prior work by Ken Jenkins
911speakout.org...

Except for the white smoke trail, the presence of a plane was not recognized by most people due to several factors:

The low contrast between the backlit plane and the complex background.

The extreme wide angle lens and low resolution of the video camera/recorder.

Some blurring due to the motion of the fast moving plane.

The small scale, low quality images that have circulated on the internet.

Sad you don't have the credibility to offer a debate on facts. Only the perpetual spouting of false narratives to deny the only credible explanation for what happened at the pentagon was a large jet impact.