BREAKING: House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, multiple aides shot at Congressional baseball practice

originally posted by: roadgravel

"We had nothing but baseball bats to fight back against a rifle with," Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks said.

Except for a security group there to protect you.

Actually, no. The only reason the security detail was there was because Scalise was. As a member of House leadership, he merits a security detail. Had he not been there, no one else there would have had any means of defense except the bats. So in that respect, they were lucky Scalise was there and did not leave early like the two other guys who wanted to beat the traffic.

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It is wrong to label all leftists as this guy.

Just remember though. . .

It is wrong to label all gun owners like this guy, when the talk of gun control comes up, and it will.

One of the first things out of Terry McAuliffe's mouth today was to blame guns.

Liberal Politics 101: Never let a good crisis go to waste.

labeling all gun owners the same is completely different than saying guns are too easly accessible to the mentally ill, there IS a difference, you know this right?

That's not what McAuliffe said and I know for a fact that's not what the leftist agenda is.

Most liberals pretend to support the 2nd Amendment -- if they didn't they'd be summarily voted out of pretty much every elected office down to Public Sanitation Commissioner.

But most conservatives and moderates (75% of the electorate) know the truth: as long as Americans are armed, leftists can't establish the cradle-to-grave socialist Caliphate the so desire.

As long as the populace is armed, leftists can't confiscate their wealth to pay for that socialist caliphate.

As long as the populace is armed, leftists can't control the speech and very thoughts of the rest of us.

You can call that hyperbole all you want, but I for one know the truth.

The 2nd Amendment and an armed citizenry is THE firewall against leftist totalitarianism.

thats not truth, it is your truth based on opinions of others.

and you are allowed to have your opinion but I for one and a liberal and I support 2nd amendment so right there I blow your theory out of the water.

You're a liberal, but not a politician (I assume).

I am referring to a political agenda that is actively being pursued by leftist politicians.

To be fair, there are a handful of Democrats who openly support the 2nd amendment and oppose the extreme gun control measures pushed by the rest of the party. That's why the big gun bills like after Sandy Hook always fail. In addition to a few arguably sensible things, they go way over the top, trying to add absurd restrictions into the bill, and reasonable people vote no on them.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: DrStevenBrule

Thank you. Apology gratefully accepted and I apologize for my rude response as well.

Yay!
Good for both of you.
See, we can be all nice and what not.

FYI...

The cellphone video of the attack everyone is talking about is about to air on FNC after the commercial break.

Which gives me just enough to to go drain my big Irish..., oh, never mind.

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It is wrong to label all leftists as this guy.

Just remember though. . .

It is wrong to label all gun owners like this guy, when the talk of gun control comes up, and it will.

One of the first things out of Terry McAuliffe's mouth today was to blame guns.

Liberal Politics 101: Never let a good crisis go to waste.

labeling all gun owners the same is completely different than saying guns are too easly accessible to the mentally ill, there IS a difference, you know this right?

That's not what McAuliffe said and I know for a fact that's not what the leftist agenda is.

Most liberals pretend to support the 2nd Amendment -- if they didn't they'd be summarily voted out of pretty much every elected office down to Public Sanitation Commissioner.

But most conservatives and moderates (75% of the electorate) know the truth: as long as Americans are armed, leftists can't establish the cradle-to-grave socialist Caliphate the so desire.

As long as the populace is armed, leftists can't confiscate their wealth to pay for that socialist caliphate.

As long as the populace is armed, leftists can't control the speech and very thoughts of the rest of us.

You can call that hyperbole all you want, but I for one know the truth.

The 2nd Amendment and an armed citizenry is THE firewall against leftist totalitarianism.

thats not truth, it is your truth based on opinions of others.

and you are allowed to have your opinion but I for one and a liberal and I support 2nd amendment so right there I blow your theory out of the water.

You're a liberal, but not a politician (I assume).

I am referring to a political agenda that is actively being pursued by leftist politicians.

ahhh, i see. Politicians on both sides do not care about anything but getting re-elected. Just as left politicians may not give a sh about guns, right politicians do not care about abortions...but they have to at least "pretend" to care to gather up their following and get re-elected.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

so, hey all you crazies on both sides of the aisle.... it's open hunting season!!!?????????

lies, rumors and words

where the heck have you been for the last few decades for crying out loud???
fox news has been number one when it comes to lies, rumors and words!!!
alex jones is just a hate filled wacko who constantly talks about the revolution!!
who knows, maybe it was the conservative rhetoic that pushed this guy over the edge, ya know, a feeling of the need to defend oneself from the impending doom!

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Right. I'm sure you could find somebody somewhere that this guy had contact with that was spewing all sorts of vitriol. Would be interesting to see what sort of communications he had on facebook, I think.

That may be why the pages were shut down. I would think the FBI will be reading through his Facebook Messenger.

It might be, but a much more likely scenario is Facebook doesn't want a leftist mass shooter. Goes against the narrative they want to prop up.

It's not like they are in the habit of censoring things opposed to their world view or anything, except for the 1000's of times they have been caught doing just that.

a reply to: SBMcG

Link to cell video

www.khou.com...

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Link to the cell video. Hearing now Scalise is in critical condition

www.khou.com...

Oh no...hope he recovers.

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: SBMcG

Link to cell video

www.khou.com...

Gracias!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It was over by the time you hear the sirens coming. Thank goodness for those security guys stopping him.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It is wrong to label all leftists as this guy.

Just remember though. . .

It is wrong to label all gun owners like this guy, when the talk of gun control comes up, and it will.

One of the first things out of Terry McAuliffe's mouth today was to blame guns.

Liberal Politics 101: Never let a good crisis go to waste.

labeling all gun owners the same is completely different than saying guns are too easly accessible to the mentally ill, there IS a difference, you know this right?

That's not what McAuliffe said and I know for a fact that's not what the leftist agenda is.

Most liberals pretend to support the 2nd Amendment -- if they didn't they'd be summarily voted out of pretty much every elected office down to Public Sanitation Commissioner.

But most conservatives and moderates (75% of the electorate) know the truth: as long as Americans are armed, leftists can't establish the cradle-to-grave socialist Caliphate the so desire.

As long as the populace is armed, leftists can't confiscate their wealth to pay for that socialist caliphate.

As long as the populace is armed, leftists can't control the speech and very thoughts of the rest of us.

You can call that hyperbole all you want, but I for one know the truth.

The 2nd Amendment and an armed citizenry is THE firewall against leftist totalitarianism.

thats not truth, it is your truth based on opinions of others.

and you are allowed to have your opinion but I for one and a liberal and I support 2nd amendment so right there I blow your theory out of the water.

You're a liberal, but not a politician (I assume).

I am referring to a political agenda that is actively being pursued by leftist politicians.

To be fair, there are a handful of Democrats who openly support the 2nd amendment and oppose the extreme gun control measures pushed by the rest of the party. That's why the big gun bills like after Sandy Hook always fail. In addition to a few arguably sensible things, they go way over the top, trying to add absurd restrictions into the bill, and reasonable people vote no on them.

You are absolutely correct. I am not referring to those few traditional just-left-of-center Democrats out there.

So it turns out he was a Bernie supporter, can blame Hillary's screw job against Bernie yet again.

a reply to: face23785

There's a lot less support for serious gun control on the Left than one might believe. I've only been a Democrat since I registered as one so I could vote in the primary (for Sanders) but I've been a liberal and a progressive since my teen years.

I fully support the right to bear arms.

What is more widely popular in my opinion, is support for things like expanded background checks. Given what we're seeing about this guy's criminal history, he looks like a prime example of somebody whose right to own a firearm should have been forfeit.

a reply to: SBMcG

Yes. You should.

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It is wrong to label all leftists as this guy.

Just remember though. . .

It is wrong to label all gun owners like this guy, when the talk of gun control comes up, and it will.

One of the first things out of Terry McAuliffe's mouth today was to blame guns.

Liberal Politics 101: Never let a good crisis go to waste.

labeling all gun owners the same is completely different than saying guns are too easly accessible to the mentally ill, there IS a difference, you know this right?

That's not what McAuliffe said and I know for a fact that's not what the leftist agenda is.

Most liberals pretend to support the 2nd Amendment -- if they didn't they'd be summarily voted out of pretty much every elected office down to Public Sanitation Commissioner.

But most conservatives and moderates (75% of the electorate) know the truth: as long as Americans are armed, leftists can't establish the cradle-to-grave socialist Caliphate the so desire.

As long as the populace is armed, leftists can't confiscate their wealth to pay for that socialist caliphate.

As long as the populace is armed, leftists can't control the speech and very thoughts of the rest of us.

You can call that hyperbole all you want, but I for one know the truth.

The 2nd Amendment and an armed citizenry is THE firewall against leftist totalitarianism.

thats not truth, it is your truth based on opinions of others.

and you are allowed to have your opinion but I for one and a liberal and I support 2nd amendment so right there I blow your theory out of the water.

You're a liberal, but not a politician (I assume).

I am referring to a political agenda that is actively being pursued by leftist politicians.

To be fair, there are a handful of Democrats who openly support the 2nd amendment and oppose the extreme gun control measures pushed by the rest of the party. That's why the big gun bills like after Sandy Hook always fail. In addition to a few arguably sensible things, they go way over the top, trying to add absurd restrictions into the bill, and reasonable people vote no on them.

You are absolutely correct. I am not referring to those few traditional just-left-of-center Democrats out there.

im pretty sure its much more than a handful or just a few. i would even say most

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It is wrong to label all leftists as this guy.

Just remember though. . .

It is wrong to label all gun owners like this guy, when the talk of gun control comes up, and it will.

One of the first things out of Terry McAuliffe's mouth today was to blame guns.

Liberal Politics 101: Never let a good crisis go to waste.

labeling all gun owners the same is completely different than saying guns are too easly accessible to the mentally ill, there IS a difference, you know this right?

Who gets to label who is mentally ill? If someone like Obama is in charge what is to stop him from saying a tea party member is mentally ill? If it's up to some Madow loving psychiatrist, maybe supporting Trump makes you mental. That is a very slippery slope.

In the case of this guy - was he mentally ill when he got his gun? I really doubt it, but he was radicalized - so what is your next solution yearly mental checkups, monthly, daily?

This is what it boils down to - we don't live in a perfect world, we live in a f'd up world, and pretending it isn't does not change reality no matter how much you want it too. The best thing we can do is face reality and give ourselves the chance to protect ourselves when things go bad.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: face23785

There's a lot less support for serious gun control on the Left than one might believe. I've only been a Democrat since I registered as one so I could vote in the primary (for Sanders) but I've been a liberal and a progressive since my teen years.

I fully support the right to bear arms.

What is more widely popular in my opinion, is support for things like expanded background checks. Given what we're seeing about this guy's criminal history, he looks like a prime example of somebody whose right to own a firearm should have been forfeit.

His right probably would've been forfeit, if they bothered to actually prosecute him for his numerous prior offenses. That's hardly the fault of the background check system. I do agree there's less support than some think, which is why the hardcore gun control nuts keep losing. More and more people are waking up to their bs rhetoric and the glaring holes in it.

45 pages in and I'm just getting to this thread. Too much to read but the sense of anger from just about everyone comes through clearly nonetheless.

While the root of the tragedy is left vs. right, I'm more worried about what congress will do. From their ivory towers, they can see what the populous goes through everyday but aren't particularly concerned enough to actually do something about it.

But... today was a threat directed at them! What do you think our lawmakers are going to do? I have no doubt they will pass laws very quickly so they can safely practice baseball and not have potshots taken at them. Anyone want to place a bet on what their first act is?

a reply to: theantediluvian

The problem, as always, is that giving government more power over a right (and the right to defend oneself is a right) always opens the door to all kinds of abuses both unintended and intended, and can you honestly say that you trust the government to do the right thing by the citizens?

Because I can't. And that's why I oppose it. Not because it may or may not be a good idea, but because I can't trust the government not to screw up even a good idea into something far, far worse.