Mandela Effect patterns

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

Yes, there is a pattern: it revolves around small details that are easy to mis-remember.

This. It's psychology. Not woo woo.

originally posted by: LambertSimnel
I began this post with more skepticism than usual, but OP, you got me with dillemna and the attack on the statue of liberty. To the core.

Could easily be a shared list of easily misremembered facts. Interesting in either case.

(Edit: I said something I shouldn't. A wise man once said, "don't sit and ponder the statue of Nathan Hale, sit and study the code each day. Nathan Hale will never change...")

Do you remember learning it as dilemna? Do you remember hearing or learning of the attack?

originally posted by: ziplock9000

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

Yes, there is a pattern: it revolves around small details that are easy to mis-remember.

This. It's psychology. Not woo woo.

Possibly in most instances.... but not everything can be so easily explained away.

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

Worse. I remember learning it as dilemma, then getting it corrected in school in dilemna. I remember my mom making me peanut butter crackers and orange juice after school, and when i brought it up she told me she had never seen it as mna.
Continuing to believe it was mma, I remember a kid in high school being corrected by a teacher for spelling it mna, and about a third of the class agreeing with the kid and not the teacher.

I remember both events as vividly as misspelling "decilious" in the elementary school spelling bee.

As one of my bachelors degrees was in history, the memory of learning about the attack comes from before college, which i mention not to brag but because it is the only context i have for the memory.
What is strange that, in spite of my unusual way of cross-associating memories, this one feels like an island. I have no visual, auditory, or haptic input associated with it.
The way my mind works, having a non-referential memory is rare.

Perhaps if this is some problem with reality it is only in the recording and remembering of it. The actual events dont change. An encoded mural might not actually be a code but a touchstone showing concrete reality no matter how memories change.

The ME phenomenon is basically a rogue game of trivial pursuit, somebody tosses out a random previously unasked question or personal 'belief' and gives you 2 choices..it's probably just another psy-op testing the current gullibility levels in society.

I do see a ME Pattern, it's in the shape of a log of Baloney (..or is that Bologna..OMG, IT"S HAPPENING !! )

originally posted by: w00dhAK


The ME phenomenon is basically a rouge game of trivial pursuit, somebody tosses out a random previously unasked question or personal 'belief' and gives you 2 choices..it's probably just another psy-op testing the current gullibility levels in society.

I do see a ME Pattern, it's in the shape of a log of Baloney (..or is that Bologna..OMG, IT"S HAPPENING !! )

so your theory is more valid than my observation because of a sandwich meat?
In what size would you like your tin foil hat, good sir?

a reply to: LambertSimnel

..I wasn't replying to your post, I was replying to the OP..I also never had an issue with the spelling of dilemma or delicious or the fact there were always 6 people in JFKs car, Mandela didn't die in prison, nor did the guy in Tienanmen
get squashed by a tank ..while your making your Hat, make mine a 7-1/4

originally posted by: LambertSimnel
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

Worse. I remember learning it as dilemma, then getting it corrected in school in dilemna. I remember my mom making me peanut butter crackers and orange juice after school, and when i brought it up she told me she had never seen it as mna.
Continuing to believe it was mma, I remember a kid in high school being corrected by a teacher for spelling it mna, and about a third of the class agreeing with the kid and not the teacher.

I remember both events as vividly as misspelling "decilious" in the elementary school spelling bee.

As one of my bachelors degrees was in history, the memory of learning about the attack comes from before college, which i mention not to brag but because it is the only context i have for the memory.
What is strange that, in spite of my unusual way of cross-associating memories, this one feels like an island. I have no visual, auditory, or haptic input associated with it.
The way my mind works, having a non-referential memory is rare.

Perhaps if this is some problem with reality it is only in the recording and remembering of it. The actual events dont change. An encoded mural might not actually be a code but a touchstone showing concrete reality no matter how memories change.

This is very perceptive. It's also interesting how one's memory can oscillate between what is remembered which can feel weird when compared to what is considered true according to society.

I've noticed how my memory of JFKs car which i remember as a 4 seater oscillates between the 6 seater and the 4... it's almost as if the "new" information is superimposing itself over the old.

Now while we're on the subject of memory and how it works... let's suppose for a moment that reality isn't shifting.. nothing paranormal is at work but some type of manipulation of our perception is involved instead.

Technology, especially military tech, is quite advanced. Those who have allegedly been abducted have all talked about having their memories wiped but with hypnosis they "regain" their memories.

Is a 'They Live' scenario possible? Perhaps all those cell towers, wifi signals, emf waves, and other frequencies have uses which the general public isn't aware of. Is it possible that it's not our world that has changed but merely our perception of it? Is it possible for someone, like the military, to be testing a new perception altering tech on us?

Assuming the above to be true, is it possible that those not experiencing the ME are merely unaware because their minds are more adaptive to the tech while those who question the ME are less adaptive?

originally posted by: w00dhAK

The ME phenomenon is basically a rogue game of trivial pursuit, somebody tosses out a random previously unasked question or personal 'belief' and gives you 2 choices..it's probably just another psy-op testing the current gullibility levels in society.

I do see a ME Pattern, it's in the shape of a log of Baloney (..or is that Bologna..OMG, IT"S HAPPENING !! )

)

Lol! That's a very valid point! Throwing another stick to send us chasing after it at least the stick has the decency of being entertaining

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

To be honest I never knew about Statue of Liberty attack and also thought Statue of Liberty was on Ellis island. I would think that on 911 the news would be bringing up the Statue of Liberty terrorist attacks along with the plane smashing into the empire state building, which was the first time I heard about that particular accident.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: SeaWorthy

No because its only a momentary memory and most happen through discussion. So this cannot be the case. It is still only temporary for that moment. If you hear something on the news you hear it, you process it, you go on with your day. Others may talk to you about it but they may have heard it from someone not the news. If you did not recall it precisely the information you give may not be 100% and therefore this goes on and on and what was as you thought 100% correct slowly changes. In 5 years, you all talk about that event and are amazed that it did not occur as you thought you did.

Have you read anything about the ME like the books, we are talking about People reading the same books sometimes through their lives and reading them then to their own children through their childhoods.

I have yes. Again it is all perception of what you think is fact. Most facts are false. There is a little gem to think about. Majority of things we think we know are false, even if you read a book your entire life you can often misinterpret words as you think they are read. Some people call something a name for many years until someone says to them, sorry but that is not its name, what are you saying? If no one makes that correction that same person goes on thinking what they originally thought was true is false. Its the brain making things fit when it doesn't.

I would love to think that some other worldly other universe interjecting into ours was occurring but sadly even some simple psychology can explain most of this.

originally posted by: wickd_waze
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

To be honest I never knew about Statue of Liberty attack and also thought Statue of Liberty was on Ellis island. I would think that on 911 the news would be bringing up the Statue of Liberty terrorist attacks along with the plane smashing into the empire state building, which was the first time I heard about that particular accident.

Good point! I hadn't thought of that angle before...

originally posted by: BlackProject

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: SeaWorthy

No because its only a momentary memory and most happen through discussion. So this cannot be the case. It is still only temporary for that moment. If you hear something on the news you hear it, you process it, you go on with your day. Others may talk to you about it but they may have heard it from someone not the news. If you did not recall it precisely the information you give may not be 100% and therefore this goes on and on and what was as you thought 100% correct slowly changes. In 5 years, you all talk about that event and are amazed that it did not occur as you thought you did.

Have you read anything about the ME like the books, we are talking about People reading the same books sometimes through their lives and reading them then to their own children through their childhoods.

I have yes. Again it is all perception of what you think is fact. Most facts are false. There is a little gem to think about. Majority of things we think we know are false, even if you read a book your entire life you can often misinterpret words as you think they are read. Some people call something a name for many years until someone says to them, sorry but that is not its name, what are you saying? If no one makes that correction that same person goes on thinking what they originally thought was true is false. Its the brain making things fit when it doesn't.

I would love to think that some other worldly other universe interjecting into ours was occurring but sadly even some simple psychology can explain most of this.

This is a fair point. Anytime you think you remember something, no matter how trivial, when corrected there's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. When it affects a large number of the population with the exact same cognitive dissonance then you have something worth researching.

The theories may be inaccurate, however, i think regardless of the actual cause it should be thoroughly investigated. Even a simple psychological answer to the whole ME phenomenon may give us insight we wouldn't have had otherwise regarding how collective consciousness works or collective memory/consensus reality is perceived/changed to fit society's expectations.

For all we know this IS a psychological experiment in order to roll out later alternate memories ala 1984. Of course if this isn't true... perhaps i shouldn't be giving tptb any ideas!

originally posted by: AkontaDarkpaw
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Here is something i have recently noticed: changes that occur tend to have a sort of pattern to them, like black, silver, apostrophes, additions, disappearances, and reversals.

C3PO changed twice. The first time he changed, silver was added to his right leg and now he has black palms and a black abdomen. Wires were also added to both his palms and his abdomen.

...

Dolly (Moonraker) lost her braces.

...

So far, the only thing I've noticed has been the braces in Moonraker. Pretty much 100% convinced Dolly HAD braces.

But now I discovered another: C3-PO with black hands and belly? Really? I'm not as convinced about this as about the braces, but I'm pretty sure C-3PO used to have all gold hands, and a rather unassuming mid-section (gray?).

I'm not discounting the introduction of updated models as newer Star Wars movies have hit the market, but Dolly had braces. No question about it.

If the Mandela effect is a real, experienced phenomenon, could it be that it's the MEMORY of people that have changed in one or more ways? If people's minds have been altered through suggestions, chemicals, whatever, while the reality is unchanged, isn't that just as likely as dimensions bumping into each other?

What speaks against the "it's all in the mind" is that in the particular case of Dolly's braces, the very scene is built around the two of them being kindred sprits because of the "common metal mouth" (and to a lesser degree strength). Remove the braces, and the scene loses it's meaning.

That tells me if one accepts that the Mandela effect indeed IS happening, it's more likely it's the observed world that has changed, and not the observers.

S+F

originally posted by: AkontaDarkpaw

originally posted by: ziplock9000

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

Yes, there is a pattern: it revolves around small details that are easy to mis-remember.

This. It's psychology. Not woo woo.

Possibly in most instances.... but not everything can be so easily explained away.

99.9% of it easily can be explained. Virtually every single ME can be shown exactly how the false/incorrect memories are created. The problem with ME, is that it's always minor details that anybody can mix up. The Luke thing was obviously a marketing campaign, it was never part of the original movie and diehard fans know this. Nobody ever has examples of BIG effects. They are always transpositions of letters, name spellings and stuff that's simply irrelevant and pointless to even change in the first place. It's easy to mistake things we once saw as a kid and look back at now. I have trouble remembering things week to week, let alone stuff from 20 years ago. ME is a new religion pretty much. The problem is there is no evidence and people think that if somebody else makes the same memory mistake as them, that it means things were actually changed, not that 2 people could make a similar error. People are very stubborn about this and can't comprehend the idea that they could mis-remember something. They act like their memory is infallible.

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

I heard that some of the scientists at CERN have been using the Large Hadron Collider in ways that they don't fully have control over all of the consequences. Some of them think that they may have messed with the space-time whatever around the Earth and as a result we may have shifted into a parallel universe so slight from our own, most people can't even tell the difference.

But now people are telling the difference! haha

originally posted by: Uberdoubter

originally posted by: AkontaDarkpaw
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Here is something i have recently noticed: changes that occur tend to have a sort of pattern to them, like black, silver, apostrophes, additions, disappearances, and reversals.

C3PO changed twice. The first time he changed, silver was added to his right leg and now he has black palms and a black abdomen. Wires were also added to both his palms and his abdomen.

...

Dolly (Moonraker) lost her braces.

...

So far, the only thing I've noticed has been the braces in Moonraker. Pretty much 100% convinced Dolly HAD braces.

But now I discovered another: C3-PO with black hands and belly? Really? I'm not as convinced about this as about the braces, but I'm pretty sure C-3PO used to have all gold hands, and a rather unassuming mid-section (gray?).

I'm not discounting the introduction of updated models as newer Star Wars movies have hit the market, but Dolly had braces. No question about it.

If the Mandela effect is a real, experienced phenomenon, could it be that it's the MEMORY of people that have changed in one or more ways? If people's minds have been altered through suggestions, chemicals, whatever, while the reality is unchanged, isn't that just as likely as dimensions bumping into each other?

What speaks against the "it's all in the mind" is that in the particular case of Dolly's braces, the very scene is built around the two of them being kindred sprits because of the "common metal mouth" (and to a lesser degree strength). Remove the braces, and the scene loses it's meaning.

That tells me if one accepts that the Mandela effect indeed IS happening, it's more likely it's the observed world that has changed, and not the observers.

S+F

I can certainly see that as a possibility. In fact, Sarah Palin is another which has changed. She made a comment which gave SNL cause to make fun of her but the interview has been altered or our perception of it so that the SNL scene doesn't make sense. She said you could see russia from her house or backyard but it's now that you can see it from alaska. The former statement was stupid and wrong while the current one is correct. The SNL skit no longer makes sense because they're parodying something that supposedly never happened.

originally posted by: moeron60
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

I heard that some of the scientists at CERN have been using the Large Hadron Collider in ways that they don't fully have control over all of the consequences. Some of them think that they may have messed with the space-time whatever around the Earth and as a result we may have shifted into a parallel universe so slight from our own, most people can't even tell the difference.

But now people are telling the difference! haha

That makes a lot of sense though i very much doubt they'd admit it. Especially since in the sci fi Fringe the collision between dimensions caused severe catastrophes and damn near destroyed both worlds. I realize that's sci fi but even if only 2% or less was true... the possibility is still scary since most laymen wouldn't have a clue. Not that we could do anything even we knew that it was happening.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: AkontaDarkpaw

originally posted by: ziplock9000

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

Yes, there is a pattern: it revolves around small details that are easy to mis-remember.

This. It's psychology. Not woo woo.

Possibly in most instances.... but not everything can be so easily explained away.

99.9% of it easily can be explained. Virtually every single ME can be shown exactly how the false/incorrect memories are created. The problem with ME, is that it's always minor details that anybody can mix up. The Luke thing was obviously a marketing campaign, it was never part of the original movie and diehard fans know this. Nobody ever has examples of BIG effects. They are always transpositions of letters, name spellings and stuff that's simply irrelevant and pointless to even change in the first place. It's easy to mistake things we once saw as a kid and look back at now. I have trouble remembering things week to week, let alone stuff from 20 years ago. ME is a new religion pretty much. The problem is there is no evidence and people think that if somebody else makes the same memory mistake as them, that it means things were actually changed, not that 2 people could make a similar error. People are very stubborn about this and can't comprehend the idea that they could mis-remember something. They act like their memory is infallible.

While i would agree with you on most points... Hitler always having blue eyes? No way... not in my textbooks... this was something i remember studying recently like within the last year... that's far too recent for a memory issue. Hitler has always fascinated me because he seemed to have such strong oratory skills AND the supermen were opposite of what he'd always been. He advocated blond hair and blue eyes yet he had neither.

C3PO is another because i grew up on star wars and the pop up book, action figures, and so on... He was a solid color. Updates maybe - Always been that way? No.

Scarecrow with a gun? No... wizard of oz was an obsession. I knew everything about the characters, the actors, hell i grew up in ks where it WAS their claim to fame... and i studied the movie and books in college for one of my lit courses and wrote a paper on it. I'm not old enough to forget that.

Some things I'll concede but some are such a major part of my life and being that i can't just accept false memory as a solution. I don't have an answer yet but that doesn't mean that a logical explanation outside of false memory doesn't exist.

I haven't read all of this article but thought it might be of interest either as food for thought or as entertainment.

Manifesting Realities

If it's pure drivel... don't shoot the messenger!