2017 UK General Election RESULTS Thread

originally posted by: TheShippingForecast
a reply to: angelchemuel

We thought they did last night, when Downing Street issued a statement saying a "confidence and supply" deal had been reached with the DUP. However, they're now saying that statement was issued in error and that negotiations are ongoing ...

Shambles.

Getting back to just a shambles would be a major improvement.

How May possibly thinks she can carry on is beyond me.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Probably because with the worst election campaign in modern history she still won the largest share of the vote and keeps the largest number of MP's.

That means she gets to try to form a government - it's how democracy works. Thankfully we haven't adopted the US system yet of winning when you get less votes!

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: ScepticScot

Probably because with the worst election campaign in modern history she still won the largest share of the vote and keeps the largest number of MP's.

That means she gets to try to form a government - it's how democracy works. Thankfully we haven't adopted the US system yet of winning when you get less votes!

The conservative party have won the most MPs and get a chance to form a government.

May's decision to hold the election together with , as you point out, the worst election campaign in modern history, had thrown away their majority.

She set up the whole election as giving her a clearer mandate to negotiate brexit. Having lost her majority and only able to stay in government with the support of the DUP she surely had to resign.

Just to add re your American comment.
Governments are formed here without the majority of votes and with FPTP system it entirely possible to form government without even having the most votes of any party.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: ScepticScot

Probably because with the worst election campaign in modern history she still won the largest share of the vote and keeps the largest number of MP's.

That means she gets to try to form a government - it's how democracy works. Thankfully we haven't adopted the US system yet of winning when you get less votes!

The conservative party have won the most MPs and get a chance to form a government.

May's decision to hold the election together with , as you point out, the worst election campaign in modern history, had thrown away their majority.

She set up the whole election as giving her a clearer mandate to negotiate brexit. Having lost her majority and only able to stay in government with the support of the DUP she surely had to resign.

Just to add re your American comment.
Governments are formed here without the majority of votes and with FPTP system it entirely possible to form government without even having the most votes of any party.

May does not have 'surely' resign.
Whilst I agree she should - to ensure someone who is actually more supportive of a hard BREXIT - she is perfectly within her right to stay in power as she has the support of more people than anyone else.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: ScepticScot

Probably because with the worst election campaign in modern history she still won the largest share of the vote and keeps the largest number of MP's.

That means she gets to try to form a government - it's how democracy works. Thankfully we haven't adopted the US system yet of winning when you get less votes!

The conservative party have won the most MPs and get a chance to form a government.

May's decision to hold the election together with , as you point out, the worst election campaign in modern history, had thrown away their majority.

She set up the whole election as giving her a clearer mandate to negotiate brexit. Having lost her majority and only able to stay in government with the support of the DUP she surely had to resign.

Just to add re your American comment.
Governments are formed here without the majority of votes and with FPTP system it entirely possible to form government without even having the most votes of any party.

May does not have 'surely' resign.
Whilst I agree she should - to ensure someone who is actually more supportive of a hard BREXIT - she is perfectly within her right to stay in power as she has the support of more people than anyone else.

She had just thrown away a majority in parliament,with an election she didn't have to call, against an opposition who started the campaign twenty points behind, right before the brexit negotiations.

It is one of the worst political miscalculations in British political history. The Tory party are not known for being forgiving of such mistakes. At least Cameron had the decency to resign right away over his mistake.

originally posted by: TheShippingForecast
a reply to: EvillerBob

Mm. I appreciate businesses have costs. But much of what you quote the business would have to pay anyway, simply by virtue of hiring employees. Doesn't really matter what their hourly rate of pay is.

...that's the point. £16 isn't the hourly rate of pay, it's the hourly cost of employment, taking into account all the additional costs that will need to be met.

Hiring decisions are made on the basis of weighing up the cost of employing someone against the value of the work they are doing.

Some costs are directly linked to the hourly rate of pay. Increasing from £7.50 to £10 isn't just "an extra £2.50", it's "an extra £2.50, plus increased NIC, plus increased pension contributions if using a matched system, plus... plus..."

originally posted by: ScepticScot
It is one of the worst political miscalculations in British political history. The Tory party are not known for being forgiving of such mistakes. At least Cameron had the decency to resign right away over his mistake.

The Conservatives are also intelligent enough to ensure a smooth transfer to a new leader. May will reign once transition has been sorted.

It is a small consolation that although My an a crap campaign she did end up with more seats.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: ScepticScot
It is one of the worst political miscalculations in British political history. The Tory party are not known for being forgiving of such mistakes. At least Cameron had the decency to resign right away over his mistake.

The Conservatives are also intelligent enough to ensure a smooth transfer to a new leader. May will reign once transition has been sorted.

It is a small consolation that although My an a crap campaign she did end up with more seats.

Contrary to what the left is saying, this election ended up being a huge blow to socialism. The DUP are holding out in negotiations - that can only mean the platform is going to be pushed further right than it was. The DUP actually hold the balance of power now.

a reply to: paraphi

There was never any doubt that they would be the biggest party but the election was called to increase her majority. Instead she has lost seats and now had to run a minority administration. This was a terrible result for the Tory's.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: paraphi

There was never any doubt that they would be the biggest party but the election was called to increase her majority. Instead she has lost seats and now had to run a minority administration. This was a terrible result for the Tory's.

...and the country - all of us. The DUP now has way way too much power.

The Democratic Unionist Party now look like the Tories preferred coalition partners. The DUP, which is the biggest Unionist (ie pro-UK) party in Northern Ireland, are often treated as though they are just the same as the other Unionist party they have essentially replaced – the Ulster Unionists. But while the UUP have a long running relationship with the Tories, and are a centre right party, the DUP are another thing entirely. The idea that they are near power in Westminster should worry us all. Here are some things you need to know.

Theresa May's new partners in government have strong historical links with Loyalist paramilitary groups. Specifically, the terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to be prominent DUP politicians. Peter Robinson, for example, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s first minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance. One of the things the group did was collaborate with other terrorist organisations such as the Ulster Volunteer Force to smuggle arms into the UK, including RPG rocket launchers.

Of course, Northern Ireland has moved towards peace, and the DUP, like their opponents in Sinn Fein, have rescinded violence. As part of that normalisation, the fact that parties which include people who have abandoned civil war can be brought into the democratic process is a good thing. But for the Tories to end an election campaign which they spent attacking Corbyn for his alleged links to former Northern Irish terrorists by going into coalition with a party founded by former Northern Irish terrorists would be a deep irony. It’s also important to know their politics. When Enoch Powell was expelled from the Tory party after his fascist turn, he moved to Northern Ireland. There, his campaign manager was a young man named Jeffrey Donaldson, who says on his website: “I worked alongside two of the greatest names in Unionism in the 20th century. Between 1982 and 1984 I worked as Enoch Powell’s constituency agent, successfully spearheading Mr. Powell’s election campaigns of 1983 and 1986 when the South Down seat was retained despite the fact the constituency contained a natural ‘nationalist’ majority.” Donaldson is now the longest serving of the DUP’s MPs.

The DUP also fights hard against women’s right to choose to have an abortion, making them the biggest pro-forced pregnancy party in the UK. The results in Northern Ireland are utterly grim for the many women each year who need an abortion. Despite being climate change deniers, they used their role in government in Northern Ireland to set up a subsidy scheme for biofuels, which gave those who bought into it more money than they had to pay out. The Northern Irish exchequer ended up paying out around half a billion pounds to those who knew about the scheme, leading to a scandal known as ‘cash for ash’, and a major investigation into whether DUP staff and supporters personally benefitted.

The DUP have fought to stop equal marriage, making Northern Ireland the only part of this archipelago without equal relationship rights. Last year, DUP MP Sammy Wilson was caught up in a scandal when a member of the public said that Northern Ireland ought to “get the ethnics out”, and he appeared to reply “you are absolutely right”.

What young remainers actually did, by voting on emotion and not any sense, was push Britain towards the far right.

a reply to: UKTruth

What do you think is going to happen to the centre right supporters of the conservatives when they see just who exactly the conservatives are cooperating with to hanging to power.

The DUP are anti gay rights, anti women's right and religiously dogmatic. The nasty party image will be back with a vengeance.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: ScepticScot
It is one of the worst political miscalculations in British political history. The Tory party are not known for being forgiving of such mistakes. At least Cameron had the decency to resign right away over his mistake.

The Conservatives are also intelligent enough to ensure a smooth transfer to a new leader. May will reign once transition has been sorted.

It is a small consolation that although My an a crap campaign she did end up with more seats.

Contrary to what the left is saying, this election ended up being a huge blow to socialism. The DUP are holding out in negotiations - that can only mean the platform is going to be pushed further right than it was. The DUP actually hold the balance of power now.

So instead of the fear that England would be run by a Labour SNP coalition, Instead of the fear of England being run by Brussels it's now finds itself being run by a group of Northern Irish bigoted terrorist sympathising religeous homophobic climate change denying creationist nutbags. Have i missed anything.? Way to go England..... LMFAO

In all fairness May did say we run the risk of the UK being run by a coalition of chaos and lead by a terrorist sympathiser, We didn't know she meant it would be Her.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: UKTruth

What do you think is going to happen to the centre right supporters of the conservatives when they see just who exactly the conservatives are cooperating with to hanging to power.

The DUP are anti gay rights, anti women's right and religiously dogmatic. The nasty party image will be back with a vengeance.

Yeah , we get to try and get rid of the DUP in 5 years, Great.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: ScepticScot
It is one of the worst political miscalculations in British political history. The Tory party are not known for being forgiving of such mistakes. At least Cameron had the decency to resign right away over his mistake.

The Conservatives are also intelligent enough to ensure a smooth transfer to a new leader. May will reign once transition has been sorted.

It is a small consolation that although My an a crap campaign she did end up with more seats.

Contrary to what the left is saying, this election ended up being a huge blow to socialism. The DUP are holding out in negotiations - that can only mean the platform is going to be pushed further right than it was. The DUP actually hold the balance of power now.

So instead of the fear that England would be run by a Labour SNP coalition, Instead of the fear of England being run by Brussels it's now finds itself being run by a group of Northern Irish bigoted terrorist sympathising religeous homophobic climate change denying creationist nutbags. Have i missed anything.? Way to go England..... LMFAO

In all fairness May did say we run the risk of the UK being run by a coalition of chaos and lead by a terrorist sympathiser, We didn't know she meant it would be Her.

Tory/ISIS would be better than Labour/SNP.

We're basically f***** now whichever way we turn.

a reply to: UKTruth

Sorry but supporting hard brexit is the emotional choice.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: UKTruth

Sorry but supporting hard brexit is the emotional choice.

Nonsense.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: ScepticScot
It is one of the worst political miscalculations in British political history. The Tory party are not known for being forgiving of such mistakes. At least Cameron had the decency to resign right away over his mistake.

The Conservatives are also intelligent enough to ensure a smooth transfer to a new leader. May will reign once transition has been sorted.

It is a small consolation that although My an a crap campaign she did end up with more seats.

Contrary to what the left is saying, this election ended up being a huge blow to socialism. The DUP are holding out in negotiations - that can only mean the platform is going to be pushed further right than it was. The DUP actually hold the balance of power now.

So instead of the fear that England would be run by a Labour SNP coalition, Instead of the fear of England being run by Brussels it's now finds itself being run by a group of Northern Irish bigoted terrorist sympathising religeous homophobic climate change denying creationist nutbags. Have i missed anything.? Way to go England..... LMFAO

In all fairness May did say we run the risk of the UK being run by a coalition of chaos and lead by a terrorist sympathiser, We didn't know she meant it would be Her.

Tory/ISIS would be better than Labour/SNP.

We're basically f***** now whichever way we turn.

Screen grabbed for later consumption and much postings on social media...Cheers for the ammo.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: UKTruth

Sorry but supporting hard brexit is the emotional choice.

Nonsense.

The overwhelming majority of economists and business groups have argued against hard brexit.

Oh sorry I forgot we aren't meant to listen to experts anymore.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

So instead of the fear that England would be run by a Labour SNP coalition, Instead of the fear of England being run by Brussels it's now finds itself being run by a group of Northern Irish bigoted terrorist sympathising religeous homophobic climate change denying creationist nutbags. Have i missed anything.? Way to go England..... LMFAO

Yeah, a frightening prospect - and who'd a thought that the condition for such an alliance to occur was compounded by Scotland's swing to the Conservatives thus preventing a 'progressive' coalition....we all share a portion of the blame.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: paraphi

There was never any doubt that they would be the biggest party but the election was called to increase her majority. Instead she has lost seats and now had to run a minority administration. This was a terrible result for the Tory's.

I admire your persistence but you are arguing with people who think losing a majority with 3 years left is a success! You and I both know it is utter incompetence to lose a 20% lead and your majority in order to gain seats. Cameron did the same thing with the referendum thinking the lead in the polls meant a snap election would result in a remain vote and shut down the backbench whining. He got it wrong and resigned immediately....the honorable thing to do.

The fact that Jeremy had 5 weeks to turn around a 20% lag to the result we now have is incredible and shows what happens when the public can find out for themselves what JC is really like as opposed to the downright lies the press brainwash their readers with. It is ironic that there are so many people here on ATS brainwashed by the very press that we all know tells a pack of lies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F..ing unbelievable.

The only fact coming out of this election is how gullible Tory voters are. Amazing and so funny to hear them get so fricking agitated. I'm loving it and can't wait for the GE in the Autumn after a summer where all those whining Labour MP's start to defend Jeremy Corbyn. It's already started and they are now very apologetic even Alistair Campbell FFS!!