So asking for Loyalty and Honesty is a Crime now?

a reply to: UKTruth

That's right. FBI falls under the jurisdication of the executive branch. The president is the boss of the FBI director. Let's say you are not loyal to your boss and gets found out. Would you not be fired?

Funny when I raised my hand to defend the constitution it did not ask for any more loyalty than that. Following orders of the POTUS is not asking for loyalty.

a reply to: allsee4eye

umm.... ya know what, if being loyal to my boss meant ignoring my own conscious of what is right or wrong...
I just wouldn't want the boss...

maybe that is the real reason why trump is having a problem filling all those jobs that are yet to be filled in his administration??

and no, it's long been accepted that the fbi has an amount of independence from the white house, and congress for that matter. when "loyalty" is held above that independence, strange, and sometimes horrible things can happen, like this:

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

originally posted by: Stevemagegod

originally posted by: darkbake
Comey was in charge of the investigation into Trump's team colluding with the Russians. By asking for his loyalty, Trump was asking Comey to "let this go" (Trump's own words) and stop the Russia investigation. When Comey did not, he was fired.

That sounds like obstruction of justice.

And yet Collusion is still not a Crime.

Well it is if congress says so, it's their determination.

a reply to: UKTruth

I didn't say it was illegal. Just that "Loyalty" is something that works both ways. It depends upon where that loyalty lies. Loyalty is obviously a good thing when it's loyalty to some kind of good principle or even to a good ideal or good person.

But being loyal to a criminal also could make you an accomplice to the crimes the other commits.

That's why loyalty is so important in organized crime and in corrupt governments. Tyrants have loyalists under them in order to quite resistance from the people who they rule over. Without those loyalists they wouldn't have the power of force to keep people repressed.

So loyalty isn't always a good thing. It depends upon the situation. I'm not saying anything is illegal here. I'm talking about the idea of loyalty and how it can be good or bad depending upon who's asking for it and why.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

How do you think a president asking officials to be loyal to him over America isn't a problem...

Step one he asks if you are loyal to him..

Step two he asks if he can " just let the whole thing go.."

Step three he fires comey over the investigation he wouldn't "let go of.."

Nothing to see here...

Lol just lol

Another word for honesty is integrity
Another word for loyalty is corruption.

Yes, you can ask for honesty
No, you cannot ask for loyalty. This isn't a corporation, this is a nation.

a reply to: darkbake

Wrong. "Let this go" was referring to the Flynn investigation.

originally posted by: PurpleFox
a reply to: darkbake

Wrong. "Let this go" was referring to the Flynn investigation.

The Flynn investigation is part of the trump investigation..

originally posted by: DanteGaland

originally posted by: HappyFisherman
Too bad mainstream people do not understand this stinky mess.
Hint: They're Dumbed down.

Mainstream people? You mean Trump FOLLOWERS?

THEY are in POWER now...they ARE the so-called "mainstream".

No more getting to PLAY the opposition!

Trump is in power but you clearly haven't heard the fact that Hillary got the Popular Vote. They are still the Mainstream.

I'll have a nothing burger.

With a side of French cries.

originally posted by: UKTruth

You are confused.

The 'let this go' comment was specific to the Flynn counter intelligence investigation into his call with Kislyak, not the Russia investigation.

It is conjecture to say that asking for loyalty was asking to stop any investigation - no basis for any charge.

It is conjecture to say that Comey was fired because he was asked to stop the Russia investigation (which he wasn't anyway) and did not.

Apart from that you have a solid case.

He was fired for being inconsistent. This was also the reasons the Left wanted him fired too. I don't think Comey's past performances showed that he was non-partisan and that is something the President needs to have.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

If they do get him for collusion then firing comey would be obstruction of justice regardless of what the president Is capable of.

Is there any evidence of Bill colluding with Lynch? Other than them meeting for five minutes(which I understand looks suspicious but unlike you I don't have partisan blinders on and see that the Trump administration's multiple five minute meetings with Russian agents are looking just as suspicious as that five minute meeting on the tarmac) and at least Bill "remembered" what was said during the meeting. Unlike Flynn and sessions whose memories get real foggy when it comes to Russia.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

Another word for loyalty is corruption.

No, you cannot ask for loyalty. this is a nation.

I'm loyal to my country. You are not?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: UKTruth

You are confused.

The 'let this go' comment was specific to the Flynn counter intelligence investigation into his call with Kislyak, not the Russia investigation.

It is conjecture to say that asking for loyalty was asking to stop any investigation - no basis for any charge.

It is conjecture to say that Comey was fired because he was asked to stop the Russia investigation (which he wasn't anyway) and did not.

Apart from that you have a solid case.

He was fired for being inconsistent. This was also the reasons the Left wanted him fired too. I don't think Comey's past performances showed that he was non-partisan and that is something the President needs to have.

It's more than mere inconsistence...

Feeling nauseous that he helped Trump win. Hiding behind a curtain to avoid being seen by President Trump. Pleading with his boss, James Sessions, not to be left alone with President Trump....then having 3 one-on-one meetings with the President (2 of them over dinner).

Donald Trump doesn't call someone a "nutjob" unless the shoe fits.

originally posted by: PurpleFox
a reply to: darkbake

Wrong. "Let this go" was referring to the Flynn investigation.

It doesn't matter which investigation Trump was asking him to drop, asking him to drop any investigation is proof of intent.

Problem was, Comey didn't drop anything so Trump fired him and then went on national tv to announce that he basically did so in order to stop the Russian probe.

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty much a textbook example of obstruction of justice.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: UKTruth

You are confused.

The 'let this go' comment was specific to the Flynn counter intelligence investigation into his call with Kislyak, not the Russia investigation.

It is conjecture to say that asking for loyalty was asking to stop any investigation - no basis for any charge.

It is conjecture to say that Comey was fired because he was asked to stop the Russia investigation (which he wasn't anyway) and did not.

Apart from that you have a solid case.

He was fired for being inconsistent. This was also the reasons the Left wanted him fired too. I don't think Comey's past performances showed that he was non-partisan and that is something the President needs to have.

Funny thing is, that's not what Trump told Lester Holt and the world when he went on national tv and said that he, (Trump) felt like the FBI's Russian probe was phony and that they shouldn't be investigating it, so he fired Comey.

Then he, (Trump) went on to tell his Russian buddies that firing that nut-job Comey had relieved him of a lot pressure by no longer being under investigation.

Trump's own words are what's gonna end up exposing the truth and taking him out.

No matter how deep a state of denial you Trumpettes are in, the man is going down like a turd in a toilet.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: PurpleFox
a reply to: darkbake

Wrong. "Let this go" was referring to the Flynn investigation.

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty much a perfect example of obstruction of justice.

So.. Trump "obstructed justice" and Comey didn't follow the law and report it to his boss. Where does that leave us? hmmm??

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: PurpleFox
a reply to: darkbake

Wrong. "Let this go" was referring to the Flynn investigation.

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty much a perfect example of obstruction of justice.

So.. Trump "obstructed justice" and Comey didn't follow the law and report it to his boss. Where does that leave us? hmmm??

I'd say, judging by where we currently are, that pretty much leaves us with one guy that's been fired and one guy that still needs to be fired.

originally posted by: Terminal1
Funny when I raised my hand to defend the constitution it did not ask for any more loyalty than that. Following orders of the POTUS is not asking for loyalty.

Hmmmm, since POTUS didn't give any orders in this case I guess it's all good, eh? Expressing a hope is not ordering someone to perform illegal acts. It's not against the law to hope that justice is done.

It seems that a lot of folks' hopes got crushed today and CNN once more has a lot of stuff on their face....sigh...I'm sure their sources were just mistaken, not lying through their scummy teeth.

www.zerohedge.com...

Meanwhile over at the WSJ, they have little good to say about Mr. Comey and his understanding of the system which employed him.

Also on Wednesday two leaders of the intelligence community told the Senate Wednesday that they had not been pressured to cover up anything. “I have never been pressured—I have never felt pressured—to intervene or interfere in any way with shaping intelligence in a political way or in relation to an ongoing investigation,” said Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats. National Security Agency Director Mike Rogers added that he never been asked “to do anything I believe to be illegal, immoral, unethical or inappropriate.”

www.wsj.com...

Looks like the best efforts of all the Hillbots and CNN have come to naught. When people are under oath they seem to be telling the truth. It is only when they are whispering their hopes into the ear of some journalist that they are free to make up stuff that wish had happened so their nightmare can be over and Hillary can take her rightful place as president.