By now we all pretty much know about the London Terror attacks but...

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: alphabetaone

Isn't net neutrality about money, i.e., bundling for more bandwidth? Not, censorship but profiteering by ATT and Comcast.

That's backwards. Anti Net Neutrality is about profit. ATS would be a bundled option by now-maybe pick three non mainstream/listed option sites, for the pay bundle.

For example:

Sprint has stopped its data-throttling policy now that new Net neutrality rules are in place, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

The carrier had been crimping data speeds for a certain percentage of users who consumed what was considered more than their fair share of data. But Sprint put the brakes on that policy last Friday, according to the Wall Street Journal, the same day the Federal Communications Commission's updated Net neutrality regulations went into effect.

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originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: gortex

Maybe a national fire wall system that blocks the dark web might not be such a bad idea?

That will do nothing to stop the dw.
It will however give a nice clampdown on things the government deems risky..like websites government finds are radical...you know..like crazy conspiracy websites.

All thats needed is to reduce immigration from the middle east nations to a trickle, increase police presence, more armed cops, more intel and infiltration into communities prone to producing extremism, and that should sort the issues out overall. not completely, but drastically.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: gortex

Maybe a national fire wall system that blocks the dark web might not be such a bad idea?

But it won't , those who want to use the dark web will continue using it.

Government control of the internet is aimed at filtering what the public see or have access too and will only ever be expanded on , it's another bottle that once opened cant be closed.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Unfortunately yes. There are still people who believe that it doesn't matter if their activity is tracked as long as they can shop on Amazon, watch their Netflix, and play on their FB Farm for hours on end. They will be safe from the bad guys, so what's the harm? The government knows what's best!

And as for May's logic that longer jail times deter terrorist.....um, has anyone told her that these people aren't planning on going to jail in the first place?

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
a reply to: alphabetaone

Are there really still people that don´t get it?
That the whole terror stuff since exactly 9/11 is created, funded by "us", the western secret services. Or at least they let them happen, right under their eyes.

Just to install Big Brother, just to have excuses to exist!
Man, they even use they same script everytime, so...

...are there really people left that don´t get it?

Best evidence is May´s "observe all citizens in the web a bit more" reaction.
Some lunatics injured and killed people, with cars ans knives, first reaction:

Observe all of the average citizen in the web more...

If a plane falls from the sky, do we start to observe the seas because of that?

No, it`s so clear, after every terror attack in the west(those with way more victims and in areas where they happen every month for several times don´t count, as it seems, if it is not the west), done by attackers that all were known and often under actual observation of the "anti-terror" officials, the first reaction of the "defenders of our western, liberal lifestyle and freedom" force us people to give away exactly those freedoms, bit by bit.

So that the rich and only because of that powerful, the ruling class, build a secure state... for themselves. And the average people are the potential terrorists, that need to be observed 24/7, by the "anti-terror" agencies, as we can see live and since years. Telling the people all that would be for their security. Yeah, it´s logical that they spy on me, for my security...

And those that spy more on their people, that cut more of their peoples freedom, are coincidentally hit more often by terror attacks, whoever is the real puppet master.
Look at England, look at France

It´s like "they" know exactly that it is one minute before twelve(people in the west, maybe except scandinavia, are fed to the backteeth of these robber baron capitalism systems, of the dictatorship of the rich), and want to create as much security for themselves as possible, in the remaining time. Before the next self made(by "them", because of greed and gambling obsession) stock market crash, or whatever it will be that will let the people uprise, in the near future. I mean, everybody can feel it, there is something in the air...

That whole terror stuff since 9/11 is a tool by the rulers, to get complete control of the annyoing "working bees", that only are allowed to exist to work, consume, pay taxes and sleep, sleep, sleep...

But i am still wondering that there are really people left that can´t see, accept the reality, that we are all fooled, all average citizens in the west!

Evidence?
Reactions of "our protectors"(destroying that what they should protect, doing the work for the terrorists!), after every suspsicious terror attack!

finally a like minded soul, I'm sick of being made to feel like a total moron by friends and family when I voice my concerns over situations like this.
What has happened in London and Manchester is totally awful and unforgivable my heart goes out to the people affected by these atrocities.
This WILL lead to a clamp down on the rights and freedoms of all of us, this IS the endgame that we have all heard so much about on ATS, the saddest part of all of this is the ball is now rolling, we stand less and less of a chance to change us from this path.

Problem, reaction, solution.

Ike may have been correct after all.

what do they do in Russia?

originally posted by: knoxie
what do they do in Russia?

In Russia, the internet surfs you, of course

a reply to: alphabetaone

The government talk is that of the authoritarian, as should be expected. Authoritarians think police state tactics solve all problems.

Closer to reality, they make things worse for society.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
British people are walking around in the dark wondering wtf is happening.

Er, no we are not.

Okay, please lend me your input. I'd really like to hear your view on all of this.

a reply to: alphabetaone

"We cannot and must not pretend that things can continue as they are," May said, calling for a beefed-up counter-terrorism strategy that could include longer jail sentences for some offenses and agreements to regulate cyberspace.

Looks like she wants to kill the fly in the ointment with a sledge hammer.

Watched german propaganda news right now, and sometimes you even can learn something there.
As a german, what do i know about May.Heared of her for the first time when it came to that Brexit thing.

Right now i learned that she was interiour minister(always the most anti-democratic ministers, in all western nations) and responsible for destroying of thousands(or was it even tenthousands?) of police jobs.

And now , because of her former decisions backfired, as every person with more IQ than a bread could have told her before, she comes around with that mass surveillance stuff.

First they make terror and criminality possible, then they install surveillance technology that observes all citizens, taxpayers, forgetting that these data is worth more than gold, in the wrong hands. And every hand that holds MY data, is the wrong hand!

Doesn´t all that look like a cheap plan?

Make terror possible, then use that terror(guide it, so that nothing goes wrong, the attackers maybe backpedal before attacking) to install big brother. Telling the people big brother would protect them from terrorism and criminality. That is a straight lie, as we can see, again and again.

Fire a lot of cops, wait some years till hell breaks loose, come around with big brother. Tell the people it´s for their security, and they accept, even beg for it!

Or did she think that eveything, regarding crime and terror, will get better, through firing cops?
Is she really that dumb? Not even flies are that stupid!
So what´s left?
Looks like a plan, that, what´s left!

The devils in the details. Seems like if they were doing their job it wouldnt be too difficult to monitor and deport anyone talking in an active supportive or participatory way about terrorist activity. Does a more regulated internet change this somehow?

Might want to be asking what regulations and how they would help. Broad strokes are often deceptive.

I think what we are missing here is the acting on intelligence gathered aspect. They often know and they do nothing.

If you have any knowledge lets just say that most ISP data centers have has lets just say "black rooms", its all being monitored by its just the pain in the ass to make it legal for the courts should someone actually decide to use it?

Yea struck me as a bit Orwellian..

And I think this attack on the internet is cynical as #... People aren't radicalised and brainwashed on the #ing internet theyre brainwashed and radicalised by friends and family from birth to think they are superior to non-muslims.


And I don't like her dark tone. Shut down mosques you dumb bitch, if youre #ing serious be #ing serious bitch, don't play #ing politics with our internet freedoms only hours after nearly 50 people have been seriously injured and 7 dead.

Get serious or get out. I was wrong, the conservatives are way more dangerous than Corbyn. They have a dark side when in government I was too young to have seen till now outside archive footage of thatcher years, now i understand why britain hated you and voted in Tony Blair in 97, you #ing stupid conservatives are a dark #ing brainwashing cult like islam...

Can't get why im salty af?

People are dead! Blood still in the streets, 40 people still in hospital many in critical conditions, and you rush out some ill conceived policy about tackling extremism online.

Get out!

a reply to: 0racle

I would love to be able to reconcile this to only partisan politics, but it spans almost all ideologies as far as I can see. Conservative, Liberal, they all seem to be sending the same message. Hell, it isn't even about muslim or any religion much less keeping anyone safe. That is of course my opinion, not fact.


This is about seeing everything WE send out there, not just terrorists or potential terrorists. Whether that be for marketing, for political gain, for espionage....it's all designed to see everything.


Again, I find it troubling and am just waiting to see how it all plays out.

originally posted by: stosh64
Maybe instead of infringing on the rights of all, the known filth could be removed, for a start.

Round up these scumbags and all like them that preach their Muslim hate, and close down the Mosques they preach out of.

Time and time again, the proverbial elephant in the room never gets addressed for fear of offending someone.
And time and time again, these cockroaches inflict casualties and chaos on innocent lives.
I have said it before in other threads, radical problems need radical solutions.
Everyone knows who is perpetrating these attacks, maybe not the exact identity of a single person but the overall identities of the suspects are the same time and time again.
The entire world is at war with radical Islam and the entire world needs to implement some type of travel ban to and from areas in the Middle East.
That would be a good start....I will leave the other possible solutions to everyone else's imaginations because I don't want to labeled a bigot or a racist(which I am not).
Many people would be against those possible solutions but how many more innocent lives need to be lost before the Western countries of the world get tough on this problem?

Asking for a friend..How will this effect m...eh, her daily 5 minute in the morning porn browsing.

originally posted by: pirhanna
The devils in the details. Seems like if they were doing their job it wouldnt be too difficult to monitor and deport anyone talking in an active supportive or participatory way about terrorist activity.

Well, this is very true. It's also very true that it's notoriously tough to find someone on the internet whose main goal is to not be found. Monitoring is one thing, knowing where they are to act on them is another.

Does a more regulated internet change this somehow?

It's a good question. The answer is, it depends on the regulation and how any infrastructure based upon those regulations are implemented. For example, not many, back years ago, would argue the accuracy of hardwired POTS telephone lines. If a call was taken/placed from it, it was not a point of argument. The only argument was WHO was on the phone, not where it was located.

I'm thinking the only real way is to make people individually responsible for their (new and improved IPV6) IP addresses, and personally identifiable IC chip the communications radio. Because clearly, we cannot revert back to copper lines...I'm just spitballing on how they could here.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
Okay, please lend me your input. I'd really like to hear your view on all of this.

You said...

British people are walking around in the dark wondering wtf is happening.

I said...

Er, no we are not.

The British are not simpletons. They know what is happening. This is all about gullible people with no loyalty to Britain being sold the lie that violence is a good thing.

My view is this. The people of the UK tend to recover quickly from events such as this. The country will not slip into a police state, nor will the place fall to pieces in fear. There will be more attacks because there are lots of people who have a corrupted moral compass, and the security services cannot police thought. The UK is not China.

There is a growing public appetite (I detect) to be more robust against these people. How that will play out is evolving. The Prime Minister has suggested increased action on the internet and this chimes with most people, if there are transparent controls in place. The UK filters out paedophilia web content and I don't see many people protesting that, so I am sure there will be support to filter out content of religious filth designed to corrupt the feeble minded. Quick, moral outrage for suggesting!

There are other things, such as challenging the behaviour of some Imams and mosques where hatred is still preached. I could go on.

The point is the British are not cowed by this type of event.