Bathsheba, the daughter of the queen of Shebah?

originally posted by: wildapache
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

No I'm not talking about Lalibela as in the rock hewed churches place but Lalibela as in King Lalibela who rule Ethiopia from 1180-1225( if I'm not mistaken ).A very enigmatic king whose birth reign and life all together is clouded in mysteries from bees that swarmed his body at birth to the angels that told him to build the churches in Lalibela(the place after his name).

Ah, thanks for the clear-up! I need to read up on Ethiopian lore!

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Khaleesi

The idea that Solomon and the queen of Sheba had a child is extra-biblical. This union is not recorded in the Bible. Besides, kings and queens succeed echother, the queen is not mentioned by name, only rank.

True. That still doesn't make Bathsheba the daughter of the Queen of Sheba. Bathsheba was the daughter of Eliam.

en.wikipedia.org...

Bathsheba was a daughter of Eliam, one of David's "thirty" (2 Sam. 23:34; cf 1 Chr. 3:5); Eliam was the son of Ahitophel, one of David's chief advisors. Ahitophel was from Giloh (Josh. 15:51;cf 2 Sam. 15:12), a city of Judah, and thus Bathsheba was from David's own tribe and the granddaughter of one of David's closest advisors (2 Sam.15:12)."[2] She was the mother of Solomon, who succeeded David as king, making her the Queen mother.

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Seede

Yes, and entrusted advisors et cetera were often given wives of royal or noble ranks. Another thing is the name Solomon, it can be translated as Ruler of Salem (much like Melchizedek who was king of Salem which is «king of Jeru-salem»). Salem derives from the word for peace seen in words like Heb. Shalom and Arab. Salam.

Solomon was the Anglicized name given to the Hebrew name Shlomo. When they translated the Bible they Anglicised a lot of names. King Solomon was actually King Shlomo. They westernized his name.

Indeed, but in Hebrew his name is not Shlomo, its Heb. שלמה. Compare that with Eng. Salem which is Heb. שלמ-- only the last letter is final, so it reads Heb. שלם

I would be more amused if you had come up with an original idea instead of parroting others.

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Khaleesi

The idea that Solomon and the queen of Sheba had a child is extra-biblical. This union is not recorded in the Bible. Besides, kings and queens succeed echother, the queen is not mentioned by name, only rank.

True. That still doesn't make Bathsheba the daughter of the Queen of Sheba. Bathsheba was the daughter of Eliam.

en.wikipedia.org...

Bathsheba was a daughter of Eliam, one of David's "thirty" (2 Sam. 23:34; cf 1 Chr. 3:5); Eliam was the son of Ahitophel, one of David's chief advisors. Ahitophel was from Giloh (Josh. 15:51;cf 2 Sam. 15:12), a city of Judah, and thus Bathsheba was from David's own tribe and the granddaughter of one of David's closest advisors (2 Sam.15:12)."[2] She was the mother of Solomon, who succeeded David as king, making her the Queen mother.

Had she been a commoner, she would be named Bat-Eliam, which means «daughter of Eliam». For some reason se was called «Daughter of Sheba» which could translate into «Daughter/Princess of Ethiopia»

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Who am I parroting? I hope this leads to your demise. Your hate towards me is so obvious you tend to name-calling and bullying. Mods please!

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I love it you still show your nonsense by quoting modern Hebrew as Ancient Hebrew. No one even knows how they spoke. Modern Hebrew only came back into existence around a 100 years ago or less. Before that there was no way to fully understand Ancient Hebrew, even in 1611 they were imposing on the Ancient Hebrew words the meaning of Paleo Hebrew words.

You are right pride before your fall is already bringing your credibility down.

This is really a mind boggling jump to ridiculous assertions. The bible has been translated. We have the original words and it's easy to know what his name was:

From

2Sa 12:24  And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD loved him. 



H8010
שְׁלֹמֹה
shelômôh
shel-o-mo'
From H7965; peaceful; Shelomoh, David’s successor: - Solomon.
Total KJV occurrences: 293

The bible tells us exactly who she was:

(I know you all hate Wiki, but go look up the sources given)

Bathsheba was the daughter of Eliam (2 Samuel 11:3, who is called Ammiel in 1 Chronicles 3:5). Her father is identified by some scholars with Eliam mentioned in 2 Samuel 23:34 as the son of Ahithophel, who is described as the Gilonite. (See King David's Warriors.)
Bathsheba was the wife of Uriah the Hittite, and afterward of David, by whom she gave birth to Solomon, who succeeded David as king. (United Kingdom of Israel and Judah).

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: UnifiedSerenity

even more ridiculous is quoting Wikipedia over the actual Bible

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: UnifiedSerenity

even more ridiculous is quoting Wikipedia over the actual Bible

At least the wiki source give the Bible verses so you can check it out.

a reply to: ChesterJohn



Yeh, you anti wiki people act as if it's in wiki it's a lie, whatever.


The sources are given. I'm not going to waste my time anymore on this. The whole topic is stupid.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Khaleesi

The idea that Solomon and the queen of Sheba had a child is extra-biblical. This union is not recorded in the Bible. Besides, kings and queens succeed echother, the queen is not mentioned by name, only rank.

Did you figure the Queens age here story true or not? Probably at least 60+ easy could have been 70+

a reply to: Khaleesi

yeah but the 350 plus English versions are all different or missing parts of it. so it would depend on the Bible you use.

the point is the claims are ridiculous because Bathsheba through Biblical fact was around 80 when the Queen of Sheba even shows up.

a reply to: UnifiedSerenity

wikipedia can be edited by whomever is a member of wikipedia. In short they can promote their own ideas as Biblical.

The verse and books are there just read them any one can see he is wrong.

A simple Bible program is better to quote from than wikipedia.

a reply to: Logarock

Like I said earlier, queens succeed eachother, and Bat-Sheba simply means Daughter of Ethiopia, a name suggesting a title and that she may have been of royal descent. A princess of Ethiopia?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Khaleesi

yeah but the 350 plus English versions are all different or missing parts of it. so it would depend on the Bible you use.

the point is the claims are ridiculous because Bathsheba through Biblical fact was around 80 when the Queen of Sheba even shows up.

Yeah, that was the point of my first post in this thread. Chronologically, the whole premise of this thread is ridiculous. The Queen of Sheba that visited Solomon was obviously younger than Bathsheba. Makes the premise of the thread impossible unless you consider time travel an option.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Here's a page exposing the nature of the number 40 in Semitic culture:

At the time among the Jews, the number forty wasn’t generally used to signify a specific number, per se, but rather more used as a general term for a large figure. When it was used in terms of time, it simply meant a “long time”. Thus, the phrase “40 days and 40 nights” was just another way to say a “really long time”.

Source: www.todayifoundout.com...

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

then why would she be married to Uriah, a common Israeli foot soldier?

Princesses are not married off to commoners, even today.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Logarock

Like I said earlier, queens succeed eachother, and Bat-Sheba simply means Daughter of Ethiopia, a name suggesting a title and that she may have been of royal descent. A princess of Ethiopia?

Well we do indeed find that David used Ethiopian soldiers. If I recall David put the whole Israle army under and Ethiopian but Joab murdered him.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Logarock

Like I said earlier, queens succeed eachother, and Bat-Sheba simply means Daughter of Ethiopia, a name suggesting a title and that she may have been of royal descent. A princess of Ethiopia?

Except that genealogically, Bathsheba is of David's own tribe as has been biblically sourced earlier in this thread.