THE QURAN is Suddenly Triggering Many Random Attacks Against Innocent Adults and Children.

a reply to: intrptr

I wasn't going to comment because my opinion on Islam, and I've actually read the Koran, is that it is a threat to the world (Muhammad's dying words being about killing the Jews and Christians - Beating of his wife etc.) the difference is, drone strikes are not done in the name of any god, it isn't in gods words or claimed to be in gods words it's just some government claiming it's for the betterment of the world or safety of that region etc. the reason people, including myself, see Islam as a threat is because their religion (ideology) literally calls for it, it tells you that if you've lived a life against the religion the best way to get into their version of heaven is to do Jihad.

Now keep in mind I'm not religious. I'm not Christian, or any other faith so I say this from an "outside" point of view. But the idea that Islam isn't a threat is wrong. You can point to moments in the history of Christianity where they've done some horrible things but the difference is that they've reached a point where it isn't done or at least is done by one or two nuts whereas Muslims across the globe believe that Sharia Law should be accepted worldwide and you have others (and isn't it always the same religion that inspired it) it is wrong to try and defend this by saying "Oh well the Christians do wrong as well", you cannot equate what they've done to what the terrorists are doing now and I'm sick of apologists who try to defend the barbaric ways.

originally posted by: carewemust
Why are we now seeing so many small groups and individuals using the "attack infidels" verses as excuses for killing innocent people who pose no threat to them?

They believe the infidels do not have the right/privilege to be treated equally. They believe there can be no way for infidels to be co-exist with muslim. The infidels way of life is treatening the muslim strict disiplinary serve-to-god life.
The muslim life has very limited freedom. They need to pray 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Every seconds in life must be dedicated to serving God. Everything you do must not offend God or other muslims will take justice on their own hands. You cannot listen to music or engage in any form of entertaintment because Islam teach the muslim not to deviate their attention from praying to God. I am sorry to say this, but the muslim live their life as imiginary angels completely defy the nature of human free will. It's the kind of life that only handful infidels would tolerate unless by force convertion. The infidels way of life cannot be allowed to inluence the muslims. Therefore, some fanatic madmen will react violently to the infidels.

originally posted by: carewemust
The Quran has existed since Common Era year 609. Have some additional directives been added to the Quran in recent times? I don't recall anywhere near current levels of fanatical, illogical, senseless violence from the followers of Islam, before this century.

No there isn't. The only current thing happen is war in Afghanistan lead to Al-Qaeda lead to 9/11 incident lead to change in US foreign policies lead to invasion of Iraq lead to insurgencies lead to Isis Daesh media propaganda to attract foreigners lead to Daesh declaration of world wide conquest under caliphate Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi lead to Nato air strike lead to global Isis individuals terrorism in mainland Europe and possibly US in near future. It's all connect to each other. The Libyan who bombed Manchester arena was said to retaliate against Nato airstrike in Syria which kill innocent muslims.

originally posted by: carewemust
Does the Quran also teach that LOVE is more important/powerful than HATE... like the Holy Bible?? If so, can't THOSE passages can be leveraged to combat the violence from Islamic-Muslim radicals who say they are DEVOUT followers of the Quran?

The real question is can the various Islamic sects and judiciary be united under one Quran's intepretation and Sharia Law? I don't think so.

originally posted by: carewemust
So why is there NOW THIS BIG FLARE UP IN HATE, against countries/people that pose no threat to ISLAM, and have even bent over backwards to facilitate Muslim integration??

-CareWeMust

Daesh has no value for gratification. They only value Heaven even it is build upon hate. They don't understand love the way the western do. They understand control through fear and obedience because their God is vengeful and demad full obediency for slaves like them.

originally posted by: carewemust

So why is there NOW THIS BIG FLARE UP IN HATE, against countries/people that pose no threat to ISLAM, and have even bent over backwards to facilitate Muslim integration??

It's not a "big flare up", the hate has always been there from that particular group. ISIS and affiliated clerics traditionally call for Ramadan to be a time to pursue violent jihad, so the next few weeks are more likely to see attacks.

Also, "integration" is only a good thing from the perspective of the West. To the people who are bringing violence with them, integration is the exact opposite of what they want. They do not want to integrate with the West, as this is essentially submission. They want the West to submit to Islam or die.

This is why you're not going to fix things with candlelight vigils and twitter hashtags proclaiming love and peace. The bad guys simply aren't interested. There is no middle ground to be negotiated.

Now, at the risk of sounding like I am contradicting myself, that isn't to say that peace, love, and integration are completely useless. These things can help avoid or reduce the marginalisation that feeds into making some people open to radicalisation. Unfortunately, for every one person you might be able to divert, there will still be ten others happily lining up to pull the trigger - and once they reach that stage, you've lost them.

a reply to: carewemust

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Look at the terrorist faces. Do this faces show love to you?.
You can't tolerate with this animals. The only solution is to kill them or they will kill you. There is no peace. There can be no peace as long as this animals live.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: JoshuaCox


How often does this happen, Joshua? Books are just words, until those words are acted upon. Radical Islamic terrorists are acting upon the words in the Quran to murder innocent people who have no beef with them.

Your not attacking the terrorist/madmen who did these things, you are attacking the content of their holy book.. while yours says all the same stuff...

It's funny these threads are never started by atheists... because an atheist would have replied "yea the Bible is atrocious to, and both should be changed.."

No, your someone looking for an anti Christian lex luthor, to your Christian superman..

These things are specifically the fault of those who perpetrated, supported or called for these actions...

No one else..

It is the one complaint about "white , Christian males" that's fairly hard to deny..

The thought that they are responsible for the actions of other white Christian males is incomprehensible...because it is a ridiculous concept.. you can't get ten white Christian males to choose the same pizza toppings, let alone a consensus on religion or political issues..

But with everyone else we think they all get the same news letter and are in the same book club...

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: carewemust

Lol just lol...

The Bible specifically tells you that if you are being assaulted and your wife intervenes and try's to stop the assault.. but in the scrum she grabs your opponents Johnson, then you should chop off both her hands and neither man should feel bad for her...

How does love conquer mutilating your wife for helping you in a fight???

Lol..just lol..

Were dat in the bible? Did you post a ref if so never mind. But there are so many biblical experts maybe we can learn something.

a reply to: EasternShadow


Yea cause only Isams can kill innocent Islams.

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: carewemust

So why is there NOW THIS BIG FLARE UP IN HATE, against countries/people that pose no threat to ISLAM, and have even bent over backwards to facilitate Muslim integration??

It's not a "big flare up", the hate has always been there from that particular group. ISIS and affiliated clerics traditionally call for Ramadan to be a time to pursue violent jihad, so the next few weeks are more likely to see attacks.

Also, "integration" is only a good thing from the perspective of the West. To the people who are bringing violence with them, integration is the exact opposite of what they want. They do not want to integrate with the West, as this is essentially submission. They want the West to submit to Islam or die.

This is why you're not going to fix things with candlelight vigils and twitter hashtags proclaiming love and peace. The bad guys simply aren't interested. There is no middle ground to be negotiated.

Now, at the risk of sounding like I am contradicting myself, that isn't to say that peace, love, and integration are completely useless. These things can help avoid or reduce the marginalisation that feeds into making some people open to radicalisation. Unfortunately, for every one person you might be able to divert, there will still be ten others happily lining up to pull the trigger - and once they reach that stage, you've lost them.

Intergration is always better long term..



It is the same concept with any slum in america..

Violence and crime soar in the slums, but after a generation of so upon upgrading.. they become normal members of society..

The other option is to let the slum fester and create a protective bubble around yourself.. but as the slums fester the violence is guarenteed to pop you little bubble.

Short term it is worse for the west..hypothetically..

Long term it is the only way we eliminate those things as institutional policies globally.

You'll always have idiots individually.. the thing we can effect though is to stop from having barbaric governing powers ..

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: carewemust

The Quran has existed since Common Era year 609. Have some additional directives been added to the Quran in recent times? I don't recall anywhere near current levels of fanatical, illogical, senseless violence from the followers of Islam, before this century.

? There have been holliewars conducted for the past two thousand years (and more) carried out by many religions including Islam... What makes you think this past century is any different from most of the last 20?

Because those "holy wars" were not perpetrated against citizens having coffee in France, or children attending events in the United Kingdom. Something has changed...maybe Muslim society is now embracing the darker side of Islam.

What's different is "citizens having coffee in France" and "children attending events in the You.

Those are modern ways of passing time that did not exist in centuries past. Had they existed im sure they would not be safe from holly strife.

And that brings us to the answer to your question. What's changed? Two things.

With the advent of mega-cities there are more opportunities to attack highly dense populations.

Muslims are currently out of favor when it comes to armies and empires. With out their own armies and empires that can stand up to the west they are left with only garrila tactics to continue their side of the never ending fight.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: EasternShadow


Yea cause only Isams can kill innocent Islams.

Innocent Islams????
You are joking right?
Do you know what picture I have just posted above? It's a daesh propaganda to encourage killing civilians. 7 people died in London Bridge and daesh thugs celebrate it.
Terrorists are not innocent. They are not even Islam. They're just the living bombs, the threat to all mankind.

originally posted by: carewemust

So why is there NOW THIS BIG FLARE UP IN HATE, against countries/people that pose no threat to ISLAM, and have even bent over backwards to facilitate Muslim integration??

-CareWeMust

It's called evil and spiritual warfare is on the rise, which is probably the same reason that recent studies are showing that 1 in 5 people (most likely higher) will be diagnosed with a mental disorder over the next year.

a reply to: carewemust

They were not welcome in Europe. They did not have newer weapons capable of doing this damage until recently.

There's probably a load more causes but as far as I can tell what it comes down to at the root is either frustrated people with a genuine and valid disdain for the things our government does, who have experienced it firsthand and have come here solely to get some payback and then you have people that are societally isolated that feel impotent and look for a cause to make themselves feel validated and important.

We all want to do something meaningful with our lives, most of us just have a different and more rooted moral compass based on our connections to the people around us.

I doubt ISIS is causing any of this, they just opportunistically piggyback events and claim them because the perpetrators can't deny it when they're dead, it's just cheap propaganda points. It highlights their weakness and inefficiency to move beyond borders if anything.

a reply to: carewemust

There used to be holy wars between Muslims and Christians where many thousands would die due to their fanatism. What we are seeing now is absolutely nothing compared to the time of Saladin and Richard.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: D8Tee

Deuteronomy 25:11, 12

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts,
you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

And here we have a cherry picking out of context verse from a Old testament(that does not apply to NT followers) Being used against modern christians to offset the Radical beliefs of these terrorist. Equivication at its finest here folks.

Mankind has written these "religious" books. They were created with a certain bias to serve someone's cause.

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
There's probably a load more causes but as far as I can tell what it comes down to at the root is either frustrated people with a genuine and valid disdain for the things our government does, who have experienced it firsthand and have come here solely to get some payback and then you have people that are societally isolated that feel impotent and look for a cause to make themselves feel validated and important.

We all want to do something meaningful with our lives, most of us just have a different and more rooted moral compass based on our connections to the people around us.

I doubt ISIS is causing any of this, they just opportunistically piggyback events and claim them because the perpetrators can't deny it when they're dead, it's just cheap propaganda points. It highlights their weakness and inefficiency to move beyond borders if anything.

Terrorism isn't caused by things out government does. I find this excuse funny. Thomas jefferson and Lincon fought Islamic terrorists. This has been going on for a long time just the players have changed.

a reply to: TinySickTears


because the 2nd generation Islamists born in non Muslim Nations.... feel it their duty to become 'radicalized' and execute 'lone-wolf' attacks on anyone not a Jihadi Muslim in that country...
age-gender are of no concern for these self appointed Jihadists, making a dead victim is a ''blessing' for that person...
following the rules and duties of each & every Muslim according to Imams & IS propaganda magazines


notice how the millions of Syrian Refugees are not becoming 'lone-wolves-on-a-Jihad-mission' it is the sons/daughters of the original migrants (likely without a moral compass or jobs or any aspect of feeling 'successful' as a Western born Muslim)


those are the zombie-fied persons that go on killing sprees... at least so-far
the militant refugees are doing their bit by committing 600,000 crimes a year just in England or just in Germany or just in France --- crimes against women and minor girls as easy targets (and the crime statistics are secreted so as to not alarm the regular , mostly white, peaceful population of 'western educated/raised' community that the Refugees are criminals)



just too much leftist, PC, Liberal BS going on over in the EU & there's no more exits or voting out the Muslim Lovers... instead the crap-is-getting-deeper -&-worse with the leadership in Britain-France-Germany

Blow a rendition of TAPS for the lost continent of Europe

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: carewemust


Their is an agenda, to get the hate machine going , most Muslims are as horrified about the attacks as any normal sane person would be. The agenda is divide and rule as it always has been, if you are to thick to see it ,then you will be a tool of it.

We certainly live in an orwellian world with everyone begging governments to strip away their hard fought freedoms for percieved safety. But if governments banned people from driving cars to save 1.3 million lifes that die on the roads every year, wouldn't there be an outcry. So freedom doesn't come without cost. We need question whether the response to terrorism is disproportionate to the act. With some countries implementing Indefinite detention without trial. Denial of freedom of speech on internet. Dismantling privacy laws etc.

The thing is, terroism is counter productive to Islam and its acceptance.

If Islam isn't profiting from terrorism, who is?

a reply to: EasternShadow

That's a pretty depressing picture of the Muslim religion, EasternShadow. Why isn't Islam LOSING followers around the world, instead of gaining them?