Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Reverbs

BadDogma started all this because i asked him to.

I guess that things HAVE changed.

As for answers i got at least 95% of mine firmly answered, so i don't wonder much anymore.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well that's nice and all, so if you want to talk talk?

What is it you want from this place exactly?

Are you here to discuss anything?

What it really sounds like to me is that you need your ego stroked.

Remember in the old thread how you were trying to shut down conversation because you are the smartest and you were the expert because you were writing a book!

So youv'e talked it to death, you wrote a book, you know 95% of everything..

I'm not really seeing your motivation for being here?
Almost like you want followers, and I can tell you from those left in this thread,
it's unlikely you could impress anyone.

So instead why don't you open up a bit?
calling us "the cool kids" doesn't really help your cause.

What it is, we have grown to respect each other.
You are demanding something you havn't earned.

Your last posts to me are all

argumentum ad verecundiam

a reply to: Reverbs

I wanted to hang with people like me.

I kinda missed BadDogma.

Guess i came to the wrong place.

Sorry.

I leave you to whatever you were doing before i stopped by.

I have nothing in particular to say...was mostly enjoying listening.

Bye

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

you want some scientific mysticism?

Physicists have reported some of the strongest evidence yet that that the quantum world does not obey local realism by demonstrating new evidence for the existence of quantum entanglement. By performing an essentially loophole-free Bell test, they have shown that two atoms separated by a distance of a quarter of a mile share correlations that should be impossible under the hypothesis of local realism, and are most likely explained by quantum entanglement.


The new Bell test was performed by a group of researchers led by Harald Weinfurter at the Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich and the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics, both in Germany.

The probability that the observed correlations can be explained by local realism due to some unknown "hidden variables" rather than entanglement is less than one in a billion, the physicists write in their paper published in Physical Review Letters. By accounting for all of their accumulated data, taken over the course of seven months, that probability drops even further, down to about one in ten quadrillion (the number 1 followed by 16 zeros). This means that the quantum world violates either locality (that distant objects cannot influence each other in less than a certain amount of time) or realism (that objects exist whether or not someone measures them), or possibly both.

quantum world doesn't obey local realism

"In my opinion, the greatest significance of this work is the definite ruling out of local realism," coauthor Wenjamin Rosenfeld, at the Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich and the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics, told Phys.org. "It is good that similar experiments were performed with different systems (photons, NV centers) essentially at the same time, so all results together can be taken as truly conclusive. Now it is no more a matter of belief whether nature can or cannot be described in a local-realistic way, but a matter of fact. (However, the freedom-of-choice problem still needs to be solved.)"

gotcha, well, cya around then.
BadDogma hasn't been around even in the last version of this thread.
You remember that don't you?
He dipped early on.

Me and him have very similar reality isn't real experiences,
even one that is exactly the same experience..
I miss talking to him too.


I'll just leave this little quote from another article about another Bell test.

" It seems we ourselves must be part of the experiment, to keep the Universe honest."

link

a reply to: Reverbs

Yup.

I love the Bell inequality series of tests.

We never were in Kansas Toto.

But I'm unsubbing.

I really was missing the old gang who don't post here anymore.

G'day

a reply to: Reverbs

Its perhaps only tangentially related, but I've always found it interesting that so many of these things are perceived strictly in an "either/or" scenario.

Either relativity is the law of the land for every turtle all the way down.

Or relativity is all wrong because the turtle just under us seems to behave differently.

Never seen the need for the conflict myself. Kind of like a Venn Diagram.. just because there is overlap and interaction, it certainly doesn't negate the rest of the bubbles on either side.

I mean, it could certainly be that our exploration of that vague quantum world will completely negate everything we "know," but I'm not sure it will. Or that it even needs to in order for it to simply have a different order.

Of course, I have my own ideas that certainly bias my thoughts and I believe in things like "chaos only exists in areas where we are incapable of perceiving the order," and that transient events are one of the most critical factors in existence. All the same, I've always found it a bit strange to frame new things as the impetus for disregarding everything else.

As for Kev, I'd have to say we all have our individual issues. Overall, we can get a bit harsh sometimes, but sticking through it seems to really benefit everyone involved.

I think that anyone who has explored realms a bit outside the Cultural Story tends to have a bit of narcissism and ego involved. Usually ironically, given the nature of the conversation (lol!). Its easy to confuse things like wanting to learn about someone and wanting to learn from someone.

We all have our little issues to deal with, and I think many of them require sets of eyes and minds other than our own. Not everyone likes that though, much less agrees with it, but we all have our crosses to bear.

a reply to: Reverbs

I told that Neo and it didn’t fit his field of vision so he skipped on to a post he could argue with.

Yeah, we don’t take s# at face value here but we at least are kind and listen. I miss the killer Bs too (how have you been Benshide??!) But look what this site has become, a bunch of middle aged men arguing politics. Shees, that will never solve anything.

So I post a speculative option and get labeled as not “denying ignorance” which is exactly what the person was embracing.

I’m about ready to f# off from here too. This is the only cool place left. For F# sakes I posted a room temperature superconductor and it has been crickets. I guess Trump has derailed all other discussions.

Maybe the next few hours will have me see a change of mind. But I have a sinkhole feeling...

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I've said something similar over the years, but I find myself coming back. Have even changed my username to see if that helps (it does, sometimes, for me).

I think the biggest issue I have is not being able to customize the Recent feed anymore. I used to have it set with none of the political forums and it was amazing how that shaped my perception of this place. The political stuff was all still there.. I just never saw it. With that feature, every user could essentially make ATS the site we wanted.

For what its worth, I thought the room temp sc was damn cool, but.. I'm kind of waiting to see what we build with such things. To me it feels like we are in a lull, in a sense, so I'm waiting to see the stuff a bit further down the road. Especially concerning home PCs and VR.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I missed your room temp superconductor..

How is that possible?

As for me I come and go as my mood fits, but there is no other place I am social online.

besides each of you has played a part in saving my azz, so where else can I find that?

Im actually to the point again I might kickstart the weird on purpose again like old times. Im feeling both bored and adventurous.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

The human error of course is thinking that knowledge leads to better than what already is... the moment is the gift; the time one takes of their own to give to others? Immeasurable and where the true gift of kamma lay as a present. The past is like a drunk driver an infinite weaving of moments that each circle round as a subject a shark for dinner; some bite and well not dead yet... same as fish. Unsuspecting the fish that says a ha dinner when the other jerk on the end of the line is thinking the same thing.

The struggle ensues who exactly is the fish by the time it is served? Is unanswerable. So leave it blank and the blessings was all up to that moment so sweet all teeth fall from innumerable mountainous caves at once.

a reply to: Peeple

India; that's the best place to go to live "paperless" an abbot told me the same so why not pass such along also paperless? Of course that also means many silk roads of oppression still exist just as old as that label... how crazy would it be to become a white slave only to end up sold back to Germany to someone?

Consider that some food on a menu I hope does not occur even though it does called: Writers Delight
(plot twist) already being German but feigning not? Exploding the door wide open on the underground slave trade industry.

P.S. Helen never cared much for Etna once her face was wrecked most of the ships heading abroad. Caldera? Pfft I'll take out the whole side of the mountain.

Follow the song in your heart and let the mind translate the tune.

a reply to: Reverbs

The issue is; the six chakras is inhabited by six gods/titans one realm on each; as a wheel of life/death blah blah blah... you being the god head of your body internally in those wheels; judging the external by those inhabiting those realms make twelve total and yet just one. So the seventh must be transcended in meditation; to the 8th.

Then what happens? All of them fight for dominance internal and external to and among themselves; and yet not knowing one has achieved freedom... have no idea where to place their battles.

The eighth does and yet does not exist; as it is one step in and one step out like the breath. From the void to not void and then right back. The binding and unbinding as close or as far as one wants that to be from all pervasive space or 8th jhana the continual dwelling beyond dwellings.

Of course; any and all beings known and unknown free or not free carry memory in various ways and then try to dominate or capture which no longer exists except in the greedy, hateful or ignorants grasping... like two dogs fighting over a rope until one dies and neither could actually eat the damned thing.

a reply to: BEBOG

A centuries old alien space villain has been killed in battle, so now humanity is able to be liberated.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Man, I cycle up and down. At times, I feel separated from the narrative and get very angry. Like Peeps, the over enthusiastic takes over and I jump to conclusions.

But i’m tired. Not of you guys but having to start over from the beginning each time.

Nobody has an understanding and historical mind set here... so wtf???

Screw em. And watch how they run. (At least that is where I am at now).

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Anger doesn't suit you teot...

a reply to: Mousygretchen

hard rock playing in the background, drinking a beer outside, 40 year old couple skipped across the road one in hippy dress. two birds hopped down to my table and my knee. somone handed some herbal tea. bmx show in some trees. She said my eyes are green, like the leaves.

I feel like in the 90s.

40 ish year old woman just threw ice down the back of my shirt?

all sounds related but Im just at the bar.




oh jesus saw a dude from 2009 trying to talk to me about god..

back to my lair.

a reply to: Mousygretchen

Yeah space invaders...

Too many leave no breathing room in their selfish grasping at transient existence... so many grasps like a web all entangled and ensnared. Yet they do not know with their eyes who has the thousand and who has the eight... sixteen dance two away.

I like dark and gothic post punk; that werewolf/wear wolf crap is lame and stupid though. Unless it is the "tuxedo" (US native word for wolf) but enough cats and dogs wear those as it is.



I would say goodbye en Francais; but Bon is a voyage... sigh; I have to start making it a habit to sit with a heel pressed against my a-hole; as too many various beings are ignorant; that I do not want anything in there. It is an exit of death and decay not an entrance for their stupid.

a reply to: Reverbs

You clever rascal....

a reply to: Reverbs

90s is a good feeling.. In the summertime and hearing crickets at night through my window is sentimental for me.

On the 4th of July we had fireworks.. Lighting them off on the street in the hot night with my neighbors.. sharing fireworks. Before 4verything fell apart.