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a reply to: Peeple

Responsibilty.

We are all resonsible.

Some more than others.

a reply to: Peeple

Day 7 (5:45 PM UTC)

Well, Santa will be here soon! Which is what Dr. Who was all about, the Christmas episode. I only watched it last weekend as it is the last one Peter Capaldi as the Doctor and Steven Moffett as Exec. Producer of the show (he wrote a bunch of great episodes before taking over the show). I think I knew it was the last Doctor episode but did not know about Moffett, so it truly is the end of an era. I avoided it but it was inevitable.

Yes, I actually missed the very last episode of Dirk Gently, season II. How? I don't know. Probably something to do with beer and Christmas break.

Just a couple of hours!!

a reply to: Peeple

I missed midnight!!

I'm such a failure.

12:40 UTC and your experiment to force the issue jump through a hoop for you did not work. Like I said, I don't think it works that way but you never know unless you try.

Here is fudge factor. It is only 3:40 PM my time! You can have the remainder of my day as an extension!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Oh Baby you're sweet. One fun thing happened I was sober, but for like 10 seconds or so I saw something like a ornamental frame with something glowing orange in the middle, like a face. I never have visuals. Not even with shrooms. It's useless but was pretty cool.
And yes we kind of knew forcing it won't work. Maybe it's one of those things you have to guess the correct name to call it? I think I'll approach it like that for a while now.
Gustav come out.

a reply to: Reverbs

But if we are all one isn't everybody responsible for everything? I don't like that. Some people make me wish hell is real.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

But if we are all one isn't everybody responsible for everything? I don't like that. Some people make me wish hell is real.

I'm not saying you as an individual is also me..
But that weird psychic thing is everywhere at once.

It's your choice as always how you proceed. Like I said I try to go to both extremes.

You like your independence.. well to increase that to max everything in your life is your fault. Then you are free of other people.

There's just different levels to everything. Physical, Mechanical, chemical, nuclear, subatomic, "strings?"

There is no doubt at the human level you are you.
But define to me what that is lol.. I can't define it anymore.. which way of describing me is the most like me?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

But if we are all one isn't everybody responsible for everything? I don't like that. Some people make me wish hell is real.

I'm not saying you as an individual is also me..
But that weird psychic thing is everywhere at once.

It's your choice as always how you proceed. Like I said I try to go to both extremes.

You like your independence.. well to increase that to max everything in your life is your fault. Then you are free of other people.

There's just different levels to everything. Physical, Mechanical, chemical, nuclear, subatomic, "strings?"

There is no doubt at the human level you are you.
But define to me what that is lol.. I can't define it anymore.. which way of describing me is the most like me?

a reply to: Peeple

No "fleet week"!! Too bad. Government disclosure is so overrated anyway. If they ever say, "Yes, there are aliens," then the next obvious question is, "How long have you known this?" And there is the problem.

I think it will take a fleet just showing up. SETI released something the other day which is confusing to say the least. The announcement that the Pentagon had a budget to study UFOs (the NYT article) is where it started. What followed is the author counting off why he would not believe any story brought to him, including photographic evidence! wth?!!

I see that as more of the "slow leak disclosure" where nothing is really said but the main point is not discredited. In other words, UFOs exist and the US government knows. But evidence is not proof! How bassackwards is that?!

That site punking me again! phys.org - UFO believers got one thing right—here's what they get wrong.

a reply to: Reverbs

"Me" is a fluid thing I get that. All my life I've been fighting expectations other people had who I should be, maybe that's what made me such a loner. How are you BB?
For most people they just go with it, depending on whom they're talking to they change. I don't.
I mean I lost myself a bit. I don't play guitar as often as I used to since I was 8 or so for example.
But am I the things I do? Or am I doing them because I am me?

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

As European I decided a long time ago that I take the COMETA report and that's the official acknowledgment. Basta.
I doubt that except maybe Russia and China any nation has such extensive secret projects going on as you guys do. The "slow disclosure" is maybe just to keep up the UFO disguise.

But I am on a break now, I actually am watching "Jo Frost Nanny on tour" and enjoying it tremendously, ordinary human problems...
Give the whole woo a bit of a cold shoulder treatment in the hopes that it will then maybe hit me.
Not giving up, I still want to figure this out, just taking a day maybe the weekend off and spending time with small solvable issues.
That's coping

I WANT MY #ING FLEET!





One big epiphany I took away from this last countdown is that I really don't care as much about a few lights in the sky. They're not really bothering me at all actually.
But it's connected to the ability of controlling movement of people, animals, the weather... To get into peoples heads and create synchronicity, make telepathy happen and so on. I still feel deeply worried about that. That's invading the most private space there is. And if you can't trust your own perception what can you trust?
Sure I could say "mental illness" and just drop it and in 90% of the cases it might be actually just that, but ... there is absolutely nothing wrong with me. I had it all checked out MRI, lumbar picture, EEG,... you name it.
Nothing. I tried medication a lot of different combinations and so on and it didn't make any difference.
Just as I would love to know why I got followed and why certain people were not allowed to talk to me if there was nothing going on.
That's bothering me a lot and for quite some time I really thought it's humans testing some kind of mk-ultra technology, now I know they were investigating what was going on and not in charge at all.
That's scary. Someone is #ing with us and a certain group of people know, but nobody's alerting the population.
I saw them literally between life and death and they sent me back. Who are they to make that decision?

And do you know the "Gray State" story? She was the one acting slightly psychotic, they we're going on a spiritual trip together. He was a very in charge person with no hints towards ptsd or anything. You don't go out and make a project like that happen if you're paranoid. Way to many people.
Towards the end they isolated themselves, because she heard voices and was feeling a presence. But if she was the one loosing her mind why did he kill his entire family?
That is also something bothering me.
Like Elisa Lamb. Even more so. It stinks to high heaven.

a reply to: Peeple

I think I know exactly what you mean.

Well crazy reverbs finds life hillarious anyway.

Hahahaha like this:




Who do you think is behind the mind manipulation?
Schizophrenic people's say it's the giant machine doing it... you're going with "somone" not government? Sounds like you say aliens.. a Christian would easily call it the devil I guess.. I couldn't take a guess.. So trickster is my place holder.. I saw somone call them "dark lords of chaos" haha I kind of like that one.

I swear I went crazy.. or I wish I could make sense of what ever the hell happenned. But I'll put it like this. Five people (friends relatives) became afraid at a level I've never seen before.. In those times when everything went insane some years ago...

So they're afraid I was afraid. We all went crazy?
But yea.. guess I'm alive lol.

And that's hilarious too.

Don't Mind me.

a reply to: Reverbs

I nailed it down to someone as in aliens, unknown presence possibly technology maybe home to Earth and just using that 4th dimension which recently got discovered to leave a 3d shadow, definitely ancient or capable of time manipulation.
Or mk-ultra. Or Plasma beings and no technology. Or toxoplasma gondii. I had cats. But that's one badass parasite if true.
So yeah see I got it totally figured out...
I also wonder if those false missile alerts and stuff are connected. The falcon9 that exploded?
And in regards to people around the target going weird too, maybe it's enhancing a field like what we call aura? So one transmits the crazy through that?

Late to the dance... again!

I was off reading about discrete math. The field actually continues from integers to rational, irrational, then real humbers (which is my only into to real analysis). Of course the Riemann Hypothesis pops up. While bored at the bar (pro basketball was on! how boring!), I started scribbling out functions and what not. Nothing ground breaking. Race back to my apartment to eat, sleep, and wash my hair. I come into work and have things to do (taking a break from frustration city by hopping in here). Network issues galore. So I am reading various things while on my computer the wheel spins and nothing happens.

I am reading about Plato and forms (abstract, ideal objects that have a reality separate from ourselves). Then some cat named Tegmark says, "Math itself defines all structures within the universe. The physical universe is math." They call that "mathematical monism" and give you a nice stamp on your hand that reads, "Crazy." That was from 2013, time to see if there is anything newer-ish-ly.

At Wired, In Mysterious Pattern, Math and Nature Converge, there is an idea started from a physicist Wigner, that quantum states are the values of a random matrix. That matrix exhibits something similar to spectrum lines of light. This representation holds from the very small to the very large. From bus schedules, to ice melt at the particle level to the holes in Artic sea ice, the random matrix, or at least the tell-tale signs seen in the spectra, are found. They have even found it the non-trivial zeroes of the Riemann Zeta function! Which of course are prime numbers.

And it continues! Since everything is math, we are viewing math objects from inside the math construct. If we could view it from outside it would be a static set of math objects and timeless! Which of course is what Plato was trying to say about watching the shadows on the wall instead of going outside The Cave to the real world!

Discrete math (matrices, integers, real analysis-i.e., Riemann Hypothesis), mathematical monism, Plato, prime numbers, quantum mechanics, and consciousness, all in one nice package! The application of the random matrix to a wide variety of problems is known as Universality. Because we are on the inside we perceive the "real world" as something physical and bound in time.

Universe is really digging into me! Universality is math, if only we could see it that way!

I wrote my post without reading what was added after my last post! Seriously!

The MetaCafé works in mysterious ways!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

You're just showing off here, right? Mr. Smarty. And I entirely don't get what the connection is to what we were talking about? It's a distribution matrix, not?
And isn't it more like everything can be expressed with math rather than everything is math?

a reply to: Peeple

I am still having issues with my computer and reading a bunch of random stuff. I did not read you ad reverbs talk until after I posted!

The Tegmark guy says that anything mathematical must exist... even if it is in the multiverse! Actually, he gives levels, I, II, III, IV. The last one is the omnipotent view of it all. III is knowledge of 1 - IV but no access to the next one up. He thinks II is where we are and the doppelganger (his term) live in unseen dimensions. Type I is kind of boring, like thinking you are the center of the universe or something.

The Wigner guy has another thought (MUH??) that by witnessing events we cause wave function collapse (or something). What he goes on to say is that consciousness is a necessary part. The math dude kind of just covers all his bases by giving it numbers but having real thought involved, even if it doesn't understand, is a vital part.

We've been saying that for a while now.

I've got to run! Sorry for the bad explanation! But it does along with what the mind can and cannot see without the need for spirits or gods and whatnot.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Thanks for the explanation. The remaining question than is what is consciousness and how does it have such an impact on everything.
Round, round, round we go...

Happy weekend!

originally posted by: TEOTWAWKIAIFF
I wrote my post without reading what was added after my last post! Seriously!

The MetaCafé works in mysterious ways!

Nice right?

I can't ever explain why space and time are not the "biggest" or "longest" game in town.

I just call it reality being inside out.. some girl gave me that one. I like the image.

My avatar and name and all of it is a play on this..

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

You're just showing off here, right? Mr. Smarty. And I entirely don't get what the connection is to what we were talking about? It's a distribution matrix, not?
And isn't it more like everything can be expressed with math rather than everything is math?

Math is the syntax the language.. people invented the way to write math.. the language on top of language, but not the underlying relationships between space and time..

Which brings me here.

You think often everything is space time. Or is it rather that you are just Describing things in terms of space time?

Space and time are maybe the gui of the os, but many more things are connected through the kernel.

Existence is almost exited to the crust.. the face of the reality machine.

What Teot might say in math I'll wax poetic. There is a deeper connection here.

I guess I have a meeting with space/time.. work.. And then my weekend.

a reply to: Peeple

I’ve been trying to figure out how to explain this. Here we go!

Math, as we know it, is a subset of the bigger math that Tegmark is talking about. That is the meta language! We are using words to describe ideas with ideas of ideas explaining those; I’m just not as good as Joseph Campbell explaining it!

Math exists outside of us. That is the weak point. But animals count. And so do chromosomes! And think about it: if any life can recognize math, then the quantum wave collapses and the macro manifests. That is why aliens exist! Otherwise we’d be stuck at Type I. Now we are seeing it all around us but are still stuck.

This just feels right from where I am at in life. What I know about primes fits and the complex and real numbers devolving to discrete integers does not confuse me (too much).

I need math to explain this. And philosophy. And history. It will be a thread on it’s own. And I will be burned as a witch! That is fine with me. Maybe they will try to weigh me against a duck first!!

Give a week or two and I will write it up. You can can call me out on my Belief System there!