Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Peeple

Back to Adam Green...did you check out his artwork?

artwork.adamgreen.info...

I'm kind of loving it...

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Tbh not so much. I like the 3d aspect, the colours, but...
I love his music. I think he's super smart, but...
It's innovative and he has courage, but...

I don't want to say it.

He's a true artist there's no doubt about that

a reply to: Peeple

Admittedly, it's not the kind of art I'd want to live with permanently, but I just enjoy the people who constantly are churning something out. Like they can't stop. It's not all good, some of it is considerably less than good - to my taste - but occasionally it's truly brilliant. But you know, we all have different tastes, of the ones marked as sold, I thought they were some of his poorer goes. There are one or two that would look very nice on my wall, and they'd go with the curtains.

He has a very busy head that's for sure.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Can I see your curtains?
OMG lol sorry

I was just watching stuff about the hellfire club.
I feel a bit "humorously creepy"


But yeah, like I said he has courage and I believe what makes art art is 60% courage 20% innovation and maybe 10% craft.
I hate nothing more than people picking a font and calling that "design" and then write motivational "I want everybody to like me" onliners on cardboard, or T-Shirts.
Also hearts. If you think hearts that aren't twisted or enhanced in any way just with a stupid sentence or two on them are art -rest assured I hate you.

a reply to: Peeple

Haha.

I walked into that one, if you'd said it I would have thought it but probably wouldn't have said it, so you earn extra points for audaciousness.

*Desperately looks around at walls to see if Peeples hates me*

We're good.

There was a series on the BBC about the collections of the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, and it did a piece on them acquiring a road sign and included an interview with the 'designer' of the road sign. She designed all the road signs in the UK, individually, right down to creating a new font (with another chap). It was surprisingly riveting.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Like I said it's that filthy stuff on the tube

a reply to: Peeple

I think my greatest regret at not being rich is that I'll probably never own my own cave.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

One you can only reach by boat! Or that you control the water supply and if the city tries to convict you, you can use that to blackmail them.
That would have been a story that'd have made even Downton Abby interesting.

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
a reply to: Reverbs

I've got about forty minutes to go - this is me taking a break- there is a lot of ground covered here, so I'm going to start with, like nine minutes in James Lindsay is talking about an Indian woman who contacted him about some kind of diversity awareness training (I think they call Race Fragility or something). Joe Rogan, bless his cotton socks, says that "No one ever thought Indians were racist" and I am like, hello, caste system? And I'm not criticizing Mr Rogan here, we all have gaps in our knowledge, we all have different skills and abilities. What bothered me, was that James Lindsay didn't correct him or try to explain to him his misunderstanding of Indian culture and how that India the darker your skin is, the lower you are in the social order. Why didn't he explain that to Joe, I am 95% sure he knows this, so why would be not explain?

I think he did that a few times, as a way to keep the conversation moving forward. Joes obviously no smarty pants but that one had me like wtf joe?

I have a feeling hes thinking of race as it relates to black or white people. but obviously again he missed it for the same reason.

but you cant know everything. the best thing about joe is the length of talking he allows the other person..

Im like 40 minutes in so ill probably watch it when I get home. I think its definitely interesting enough for me to use it as a new string on a web to start from and see where I end up.

but until then my first day off in like 2 weeks is tomorrow sooo... Cheers


oh and just to break the world a lil bit..

a reply to: Peeple

@Kilgore @Peeple



do you Like My FONT

a reply to: Reverbs

As long as you don't try to sell that to me - sure, Baby

a reply to: Peeple

I've never watched Downton Abbey, but you're probably right. Stick Sean Bean in there with fixed bayonet to defend the island and I'd definately watch it.

I always fancied one of those caves that you have to slip behind a waterfall to get to it. I know that the damp would be a problem but you know, we all have to make compromises.

a reply to: Reverbs

I yelled out loud, and then had to go back listen again to make sure that I had not misunderstood - but no. AND Lindsay knew, you could tell he knew, but he let it go - which benefit of the doubt, perhaps he didn't want to break the flow of the conversation but it's a biggy and I think he chose not to correct Rogan because to do so would have undermined a considerable portion of the narrative that he has built around this.

I enjoy listening to Rogan, he's curious and largely unpretentious. I don't agree with most people about some things, and some people about most things, I like to confront the whys of that, check my own conditioning and programming. Lindsay is a very smart guy, he's good at mathematics, has an advanced degree in it (as he repeatedly reminds us) but his world view is quite narrow. Through choice I think but also because he has quite deep seated cultural prejudices of his own.

I've still got forty minutes to go, and I stopped at that point for a reason. I'm going to let you catch up, I want to know more about what you think first because I of course have my own cultural bias.

originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: Peeple

@Kilgore @Peeple

do you Like My FONT

No. Just no.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

hahaha careful what you ask for!

This is something I allude to all the time, you know.
I figured out enough to know that I don't know..
I am right enough to know there isnt really a right.


but I understand people who are comforted in "knowing"
I didnt end up watching it as the universe was being funny.
I went to watch it but as I was reading your post I noticed the next guest is an Indian dude.

Russel Peters a comedian..
And even better they talk about getting enough vitamin D. and Joe is broken record on different things.. chimps, dm tea... "heat shock protiens" lol and "the best way to get vitamin D is the sun, 15 minutes..."

Russell Peters is like "yea I take vitamin D.. I get super dark in the sun." so he doesnt like to get too much sunlight. talks about being too brown.

For me it was funny, but I don't imagine it landed in rogan's mind.

Those other videos I posted are deepfakes using machine learning to map facial expressions... They are not edited other than that.. meaning you dont do the work you let a program program itself to figure out how someone should move. Its getting too good.

Original


Brendan and Theo


Just the title alone is too much.

a reply to: Reverbs

The deep fake stuff is getting scary good. Mt son really likes Bill Hader, and there are a few of him transforming into the character whose voice he's impersonating. It's creepy as all hell...here we go.



Lol, and we seem to have a Tropic of Thunder theme going.

In hot countries everywhere, you see women working out in the fields covered from head to foot so that they don't 'catch' the sun because a darker skin tone indicates justs that, that you work outside and that means that you are poor/poorer and therefore less attractive/socially valid. And, that's something that is quite old, the pale skinned ladies depicted on Minoan palaces, the rich and the privileged stay paler because they don't have to work in the sun. It doesn't take much of a leap and jump to presume that that mind set influences how they would look upon darker skinned peoples as being 'designed' or even destined to do all the hard labour outdoors, exposed and unprotected from the elements. You can compare it to the early television commercials where advertising agencies wouldn't use black actresses to sell soap because white folks wouldn't buy the association.

Since you didn't watch it I'm not going to go on and on about it, but one thing that I just don't get that Lindsay was quite keen to get across is that these social justice groups, in all their myriad variety, make freedom of speech impossible, and therefore, you can't learn or grow from the situation, just feel restricted by it (I'm summarizing and paraphrasing) but that is just bollocks. I know that freedom of speech is an underpinning factor in 'being' American, but all it means is exercising your freedom of thought before engaging your freedom of speech. It really doesn't take a great deal of effort to think before you speak, to ask yourself if this is something that can be said in a less offensive way. Why is freedom of speech so wrapped up in this, I must have the right to insult whoever I want to insult? It's crazy.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

You're honestly making it less appealing everything you say about it. Maybe thats why I never finished it.

a reply to: Reverbs

Cheers for that, mate

I did actually find it really insightful, though I am going to forgo the last 40 minutes - I got the jist - you perhaps wouldn't get so much, having to live it as you do, but it asnswered some questions for me. I've been reading The Brothers by Stephen Kinzer, it's a bi-biography of the Dulles brothers, and the word 'hysterical' keeps coming up, and I was trying to figure out what about the US and it's WASP upper classes made them so prone to hysteria. You know what us British-folks are like with our stff upper-lips and laughing in the face of danger, while throwing two generations of men under the war-bus. It's hard to get into that kind of mind-set of a hysterical leadership without getting the wet fish out to slap some sense into them, but I'm starting to understand it a bit better, so thanks.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Well one thing is that free speech is under attack in a dangerous way. and you maybe dont know what the police are like here. if you show that in a video on youtube you will get a strike. if you say "coronavirus" your video will be demonitized. I mean that to the point its not one or 2 or 15 people its everywhere everyone online in the us.

so you can find 100s of videos of people referencing "this thing thats happening now" they just dont say the c word and they can keep the ad revenue.

reporters are getting their cameras smashed into the ground, getting shot up with rubber bullets people are losing their eyes. Thats whats happening to cnn or abc of fox reporters.

Since when is that ok?
3 minute sample.


based on our laws you cant force a protest to stop or attack the press. its a precedent that is set by undercover police smashing windows.. then the cops get to play storm troopers. and their psychology is known.. its the prison experiment. very famous.

and the president is meanwhile calling half of America a conspiracy and fake news.. Its not a good recipe.

so I don't think you know how bad all that is.

also.

Good morning everyone!

a reply to: Reverbs

It's not just in the US, it's having a knock on effect everywhere, just as the #MeToo movement did. The UK played a major, if not pivotal role, in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. When the UK voted to abolish slavery, slave owners were compensated for the financial loss, essentially the government bought the slaves off them. The now 'free' slaves were given no restitution. And, it is only in the past two decades that there has been a satisfactory shift in perception to a state where now black lives do matter because they really didn't for all that time before, not in the eyes of the law, not in the mainstream media. Restitution is yet to occur significantly anywhere. So, we're having a reaction here, a lot of seemingly harmless media content is being pulled, comedy shows that could be interpreted as 'black facing' even if that was never the intent. Some of it is knee-jerk, some of it litigational avoidance and some of it is justified.

But, that's all amplified and multiplied in the US, and which is why, as Covid emerged I told you I was scared for you guys over there. Such great effort has been placed on controlling and preventing democratic expression driven by a fear of change and of difference based upon superficial distinctions. You've all been at this a hundred years now, violently reacting to the tide of change much to the detriment of large swathes of your own population rendering the democratic process meaningless because of it's appearance of untrustworthiness. That's why the Black Panther movement was such a threat to the status quo because first and foremost it promoted engagement in the democratic process of black Americans by getting them to register to vote.

The Stanford Experiment demonstrates beautifully how quickly that breakdown of 'morality' occurs without proper oversight. We can also cite the My Lai Massacre as an example of how such things work, how we, as a species, are inclined to externalize and demonize our 'enemies' as a means of detracting from the realization that perhaps we're the problem with the world, not them.

You have a problem in the US, but it's not a problem that is alien to the rest of the world. We've all been through it or are going through it. Democracy is worth fighting for and so is a tolerant society, and one of the hardest lessons for a tolerant society to learn is how to deal with intolerance.

I have faith that we'll get there, but it's going to be a bumpy ride, for the US especially at this point in time. Take care.

And good morning to you too