Fox News can’t get Republicans to defend Trump

So Fox News can't get republicans to defend unsubstantiated allegations made by the media.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Don't you love it when the media routinely cites themselves as a source, with no accountability?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Wouldn't acknowledging the validity of the allegations also imply guilt?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
So Fox News can't get republicans to defend unsubstantiated allegations made by the media.

Ultimately, I don't think that's the problem. What's happened is GOP recognizes finally that Trump is a toxic cluster**** and he will just continue to bring trauma upon trauma and the Republicans are sick and tired of defending him.

Can't really blame them.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
Spoken like a lawyer.

Says the guy who says, 'No one supported the same things that Dick l'Orange said!!!! Provide proof!!!!'

And after getting that proof disregards it because it doesn't fit their paradigm.

a reply to: olaru12

As I posted before:

Those of us who have been to more than one rodeo know the truth and that is that the Trump presidency is all but done, over, rendered into history as a failed effort. Why you may ask? There are several reasons, but the most important include the fact that Trump can't quit screwing up and worse, he can't regulate his speech, he can't plug the leaks and he can't get out in front of the train wreck. In short, Trump doesn't know how or when to exercise damage control. He's being skewered by the hyenas of the leftist MSM who have vowed to never normalize the Trump presidency and are now the screaming outlets of the Resistance! The feckless GOP in Congress won't support him or attempt to rescue him. He'll find no support there. But worse, after the August congressional recess, Trump's "agenda" is toast if he can't get his tax relief bill and a health care bill approved before then BECAUSE, after the August recess, all that the slime ball Representatives will care about is getting re-elected in 2018! Then, come January 2018, they will be in continuous campaign mode, (as opposed to continuous fund raising mode they're in now)..........they'll not take up or vote on anything that threatens their re-elections. Then its 2019 and the Presidential race for the 2020 election starts..........Trump is, for all practical terms, a Lame Duck after the 2017 August recess.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Says the guy who says, 'No one supported the same things that Dick l'Orange said!!!! Provide proof!!!!'

I never said that. Can you show me where I said that?

And after getting that proof disregards it because it doesn't fit their paradigm.

Your proof was reduced to 'semantics,' remember? Your word(s) not mine.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
I never said that. Can you show me where I said that?

Sure, right here:

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
No one in the GOP but Trump wanted a boarder wall.

Which was disproved by actual quotes from actual candidates who said they also wanted a border wall during the election and which you discounted because it would make the orange turd blossom not the only one who wanted a wall.

Your proof was reduced to 'semantics,' remember? Your word(s) not mine.

When I said semantics it was in reference to your discounting their stance, you wanted proof of them having the same goal, I gave it to you. You discounted it because you read their minds and knew they just wanted to be like Dick l'Orange but not really.

it's just a matter of time before he resigns, but democrats will still have pence and a republican congress, so all you trumpsters will still get your devastation of the poor and middle class

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

If he is (and did with his cabinet) reducing the influence of lobbying this is a bad for the politicians.

Of course there is a pissing match about ACA.

I am not in the know of what really goes on in Congress. I am a simple by-stander and get the news that is allowed to be released.

originally posted by: seasonal
If he is (and did with his cabinet) reducing the influence of lobbying...

He did? How?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The Trump pledge: No lobbying for 5 years
www.cnn.com...

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I suppose the matter of chronology should be introduced into this argument, I'm sorry for having not mentioned it prior.

From me:

No one in the GOP but Trump wanted a border wall.

And now like a lawyer, I'm going to defend my argument by introducing the idea of 'timing is everything' into the equation.

Trump came out guns blazing with this idea of a border wall, a complete border wall, with the promise of getting Mexico to pay for it through trade deals.

At the time that Trump made this announcement, no other GOP candidate had mentioned a complete wall and a means to afford it.

And it continued like that for several months, in fact, before Ted Cruz introduced his more diluted campaign promise of as you have quoted from a CBS Miami affiliate:

The Texas senator pledges on his website to “build a wall that works,” and to “complete the wall,” though he offers no specifics as to how he would do so.

What's interesting about this is that, in fact, Ted Cruz had supported, or at least floated, the idea of a wall along the Mexico border, and he did 3 years before Trump announced his candidacy.

MODERATOR: Is that still your position tonight, to build a fence the length of the Texas/Mexico border?

CRUZ: I think we need to use every tool humanly possible.

MODERATOR: And that is one of them?

CRUZ: Yes.

MODERATOR: Yes? OK. Do you have any idea how much it would cost?

CRUZ: I don’t know the specific cost but I can guarantee you it is far less than the cost of illegal immigration.

Though, apparently Cruz couldn't make up his mind about whether or not the wall should be along the entire US/Mexico border, or simply in border hotspots.

All of this is important because there is a distinction that needs to be made between Cruz & Trump. While Cruz had floated the idea of a wall as a senator and as a contender for GOP nominee, he could never consistently and successfully propose the wall without being intentionally vague, and even admitting not knowing how he would pay for it.

Cruz famously figured out his vision for the (complete) wall and how he was going to pay for it here:



That's right, he was going to get Donald Trump to pay for it, incase you forgot.

But, I'll give it to you that he had at least expressed interest in a wall prior to Trump's candidacy.

Trump is still shaking things up, though. He cancelled the TPP 3 days into office, that definitely sent rattles through the system.

Yes!, you can't find any Politicians to defend Trump cause all of them work for TPTB, and their job right now is to impeach Trump and then Pence.... Don't think it'll be a cakewalk and many heads will roll

a reply to: manuelram16
The GOP contingency plan, as I've surmised from day 1, is let Trump take care of the crazy stuff that they didn't figure they'd get away with and when he ultimately shoots himself in the foot...start the impeachment proceedings themselves. Come 2018, they look like heroes, Pence will be POTUS, and say welcome to the Republic of Gilead.

So Far the Orange one has gutted social, consumer and environment protection, given defence industries a chub, is looking at obstruction of justice among other inconveniences, and Republicans have started to call for his impeachment.

Seems right on track.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: olaru12

Well there is a couple of ways to look at this


The pure hearted repubs are afraid of the stink of Trump clinging to the pure white robes.

Trump is really starting to make changes to the f-ed system and the real string pullers are telling the repubs to have their fake outrage.

A mix of the 2

"Changes" you mention are the same old stuff republicans always do when they con the American people to vote them in power...Bush did the same stuff...Nothing new.

originally posted by: seasonal
The Trump pledge: No lobbying for 5 years
www.cnn.com...

He can pledge to crap gold on your dinner plate, this is not something he can implement unilaterally.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
And now like a lawyer, I'm going to defend my argument by introducing the idea of 'timing is everything' into the equation.

Trump came out guns blazing with this idea of a border wall, a complete border wall, with the promise of getting Mexico to pay for it through trade deals.

Cut the bull and your goalpost shifting, Cruz was talking about a wall in 2011.

Cruz proposed to secure the border by tripling the size of the border patrol and quadrupling the number of helicopters and cameras on the border and completing a double-layered border fence.

I think the GOP knows that Trump will come back from his ME trip a broken man. He want's to escape the turmoil in DC and he can run, but he can't hide. And the Republicans just don't have the energy to keep up the charade.

www.newyorker.com...